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Subject: Re: My Last Word about this Mess and I Return to Hash Tables...

Author: Peter McKenzie

Date: 19:14:40 07/24/99

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On July 24, 1999 at 16:49:33, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Hi, including opponents et al:
>If this mess has served a purpose has been to clarify that many things should be
>clarified. Amir said well: there is a constitutional problem, or at least
>different opinions about how moderation must be performed. Clearly is not enough
>to recall the rules some day were stablished. Maybe they are by now obsolete,
>maybe not, but in any case this long, too long debate, could serve to see that a
>problem exist.

I agree.  As I've already said, I don't think the current moderation system is
that great.  Others may disagree, and thats fine.

> I suppose that some will insist that there was not other problem
>that an off topic, "dirty" joke without place here, but to think that way is
>just to hide reality and try obsesively to return to point zero as if nothing
>happens here.
>Personally speaking, I do not want to damage this site. I begun with a post
>resigning and giving my reasons and at once some people depicted my action as a
>complot to ignite a war, a melodramatic suicide, etc. It was not so: I was not
>saying farewell witH an outburst of flames, just resigning a position. But, many
>post after  that, I do not have ilusions that some people will reconsider and
>understand what I did. For them I am and I will be forever the troublemaker, the
>dirty guy, the menace to his souls, the man that sometimes writes things that
>can produce daddy to become angry if he see you reading it. So much I am
>considered a public menace that I am already threatened with delection as member
>of this site for all that and, what is more,  because  was assumed I was going
>to keep silent and beg a reconsideration of my post and case thorough silent
>emails below pubic knowledge. By the way, It is curious for me, after so many
>efforts I did with Steven Schwartzs to give life to this site inventing new
>sections etc, that I am in the fringe of expulsion.
>So, I am not going to keep answering posts that directly treat me as they want,
>no matter what. I feel myself no more guilty until this point that to become
>angry in some moments with all this stuff and the fact I used too harsh words in
>some of my post and emails, but respect he man point I still think that if you
>cannot post a joke from time to time with the mood with which every human being
>want to share what he consider a funny thing, then we are wrong and we have

I completely disagree with you here.

I don't come to CCC to read off topic jokes.  If you start posting one every now
and again, then so will other people.  What is the board going to be like if we
have 20 new jokes a day?  This is the Computer Chess Club, not the Computer Joke
Club.

The type of joke you posted is also likely to offend some people.  If you can't
understand this, then I'm not sure what to say.  Such a post is likely to
clutter up the board with off topic argueing, something that makes the whole
place less usable for everyone.

Don't get me wrong, I like generally like your posts.  I like the way you write
of the 'human side' to computer chess - with a lot of passion.  I understand
that you like humour and I'm sure I would have found your joke very funny.
Perhaps you could find a more appropriate place to tell your jokes though.

Many of us have interests outside computer chess (yes really :-), I personally
am into cycling.  I don't think though, that it would be appropriate if I posted
Tour de France results here (go Lance!).

You say that this is a club, perhaps making an analogy with a 'normal' chess
club where people tell jokes etc.  This analogy would be much more appropriate
if you were talking about the Internet Chess Club, where it is possible to have
private conversations.

>confused the goals of a place with a too narrow definItion and too coercitive
>discipline and too blind implementation of "law".
>In consequence, I will stop. I suppose enough has been said for each side to
>know clearly what the other side think. I hope some good effects will come of
>all this. Maybe the first is for each of us to remember that we are from very
>different cultures and that means a lot more than different languages.
>And now, if Don Dailey is reading this, please tell us about  Cilkchess. Are we
>going to see some kind of public availabiliy of it in a way or anther?
>Fernando



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