Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 00:28:16 07/25/99
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On July 24, 1999 at 22:34:57, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: > >On July 24, 1999 at 15:29:02, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On July 24, 1999 at 14:00:11, Melvin S. Schwartz wrote: >> >>> >>>On July 24, 1999 at 12:40:32, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On July 24, 1999 at 06:36:46, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>On July 24, 1999 at 06:21:39, blass uri wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On July 24, 1999 at 04:43:06, Terry Ripple wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Mel, >>>>>>> I did exactly as you instructed and ran it from that Position on 40/2hr. and >>>>>>>when Hiarcs7.32 made the move a4 (0.59/9), i then left Hiarcs continue to think >>>>>>>on my time as if i was playing Hiarcs in a tournament setting and at no time did >>>>>>>Hiarcs ever think it was in the "negative" and in fact Hiarcs kept a small >>>>>>>plus(.46/10) for up to a "full 10 min." of its thinking on my time! I then >>>>>>>repeated the same position before the move a4 and Hiarcs "STILL" wants to make >>>>>>>the very "Same Move"- "a4". The position learning was working because before it >>>>>>>showed in its analysis 2.a4, Nd7 3.a5, etc. but after i left it think on my time >>>>>>>and tried the position once again it then was showing 2.a4, Nd7 3.Nf5,etc. >>>>>>> This leads me to believe that if Mark and i are getting the same conclusions >>>>>>>from our Hiarcs Program, that it dont take a "Rocket Scientist" to draw a >>>>>>>conclusion that there must be something thats conflicting in your Hiarcs set-up! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, Terry >>>>>> >>>>>>I gave my hiarcs7.32 64 Mb hash tables and some hours on my pentium200 and at >>>>>>depth 11/30 it wants to play >>>>>>Rb1 instead of a4. >>>>>> >>>>>>I did not look at the screen so I do not know when Hiarcs changed its mind >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>>Now it wants to play Rf1 at the same depth with evaluation 0.31 after more than >>>>>3 hours >>>> >>>>The game was played at 40/2. The question is not if hiarcs 7.32 will play Rf1, >>>>the question is, is a4 played by Hiarcs 7.32 at 40/2 a blunder? This was the >>>>claim. >>>_______________ >>> >>>Now, Mark, you insisted Hiarcs only chose a4, so how come we now have Mr. Blass >>>reporting that after 3 hours it wants to play Rf1? >>> >>>Mark, when I posted the examples for you, I used the words "bad move". Now, I >>>gave you the reason why I said that because Hiarcs changed from a4 to Rf1. Very >>>simple. Also, in this same game at move 20 Hiarcs played and it stayed Qd2 - Do >>>you think that was a good move? >>> >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>-------- >>Mel, >> You couldn`t have possibly been playing the time control(40/2hrs)and come up >>with the move Rf1. It doesn`t sound like you are really playing a fair game with >>Hiarcs or like i said, it might be possible that somehow you have a corrupted >>file somewhere!!! >_____________ > >You are telling me I couldn't have been playing the game at 40/2. That is >ridiculous! Totally absurd! Are you saying I am not aware of the time control I >used? :))) >_________________ > Mel, I say this because neither Mark or i have seen this move up to 12 ply, so what are we suppose to think! I also gave you the benefit of doubt and did say that something is possibly corrupted, i don`t know the answer but Uri only came up with your move Rf1, only after leaving his Hiarcs think for over 3 hours!! I myself don`t completely rely on a computer to deceide my answers but use them to give me ideas that i haven`t thought about. All Chess programs make weak and some very poor moves at times ,but dont forget that Strong human players also make the same mistakes in their games at different times. The fact is that "who" will make the "least" mistakes or weak moves in a game, will then be the winner. I played hundreds of Tournaments over the years and i can attest to this fact! Another fact is that it isn`t always clear that one move is better than another in certain positions and because Hiarcs continues to choose Rf1 in your case instead of a4 doesn`t make a4 a weak move, as there are many times in a particular position that there are more than one good move to make. ------ Regards, Terry
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