Author: Albert Silver
Date: 16:21:47 07/26/99
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On July 26, 1999 at 18:51:21, Dann Corbit wrote:
>On July 26, 1999 at 18:44:01, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On July 26, 1999 at 18:02:43, Dann Corbit wrote:
>[snip]
>>>Alright then, why don't we all pound the stuffings out of it and come up with
>>>some answers.
>>>
>>>Also, I do not trust the judgement of *any* program when it comes to positional
>>>issues. I think a human expert should also comment.
As I don't trust my opinion positionally if we're talking about BEST moves (not
the house specialty :-) ), I am going to refrain from opining. What I will do
though, is take these positions next Saturday to my club and throw them to my
teammates, the lowest rated being 2295 FIDE, and see what they think. It'll be
easy because they love this sort of thing. The only problem of course is that
these things sometimes (an understatement) turn into battles if there isn't a
clear consensus. I'll keep you informed. :-)
Albert Silver
>>
>>Tactical test are tough enough when it cames to finding the true best "best
>>move". Positional test can and often do have more then one objectively "best
>>move" In many cases this is dictated by the positional style of person who is
>>playing the position. What is the best move for Karpov may not be the best move
>>for Kasparov, but both win and are correct.
>
>Some of them may be very subjective. But it seems that we could at least
>solicit comments from human experts. Some may be refuted for obvious reasons,
>or confirmed in the same manner. An example of a well defined positional test
>is LCT II. I have some email from the author giving excellent lines of
>reasoning on why a given positional move has value.
>
>Once again, here is the bare EPD, ready for computerized cranking or human
>analysis:
>r2k3r/ppp1bppp/3n4/8/3N4/2N5/PPP1bPPP/3RK2R w K - id "RemiC.0000"; bm Kxe2;
>8/3q1k2/5ppp/8/p1R5/P1K1N2P/1P3PP1/8 w - - id "RemiC.0001"; bm b3 b4;
>3r2k1/pq6/2r4p/2p1Q3/2Pp1p1p/1P3P2/P4P2/1R1R2K1 w - - id "RemiC.0002"; bm Kh2;
>am Qxf4;
>r5kr/pp3pp1/4p1p1/1Qn5/3BnP2/2P3Pq/PP2BR1P/R5K1 w - - id "RemiC.0003"; bm Rg2
>Bf1; am Bxc5;
>r4rk1/p3pp1p/b1p5/2P1N1p1/4PB2/2b2K2/P4PPP/3R3R w - - id "RemiC.0004"; bm Nxc6;
>r3k2r/pp1b1ppp/2n1p3/q7/3P4/P1PB1N2/3Q1PPP/R4RK1 b kq - id "RemiC.0005"; bm Rc8
>O-O Rd8 Rb8; am f6;
>r3k2r/pp1b2pp/2n1pp2/q7/3P4/P1PB1N2/3Q1PPP/RR4K1 b kq - id "RemiC.0006"; bm Nd8;
>am b6;
>1rq1r1k1/5ppp/b7/b1pNp3/4P3/1B3Q2/PP3PPP/2RK3R w - - id "RemiC.0007"; bm Rc2;
>r1b2rk1/pppp1ppp/5n2/4q3/1b2P3/2NQ4/PPPB1PPP/2KR1B1R b - - id "RemiC.0008"; am
>Bxc3;
>r1bq1rk1/pp2bppp/2nppn2/8/2BNP3/2N1B3/PPP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - id "RemiC.0009"; am
>Nxc6;
>r1bqkbnr/pp3ppp/2np4/1Bp1p3/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - id "RemiC.0010"; am
>Bxc6;
>rn1qk2r/ppp2ppp/5p2/3p1b2/1b1P4/2NBP3/PPP2PPP/R2QK1NR b KQkq - id "RemiC.0011";
>am Bxc3+; bm Bxd3;
>3r2k1/Qp4q1/p1p3pp/3b4/4p1P1/P3P3/1P2B1PP/2R3K1 w - - id "RemiC.0012"; am Rc2;
>bm Qb6;
>r5k1/1pq1nppp/p2b4/3P1b2/2B5/PPN2NP1/1B2KPP1/R6R w - - id "RemiC.0013"; am Kf1;
>bm Rhd1;
>r2q1rk1/1pnbb1np/p2p1ppB/2pP4/4P3/1QN5/PP1NBPPP/R4RK1 w - - id "RemiC.0014"; am
>Bxg7;
>1q5k/pr2bp1n/2ppb3/2p1p3/2P1P1rp/1PNP1N2/P3QPPB/R3R2K w - - id "RemiC.0015"; bm
>Nd1;
>r4rk1/3bqppp/pp2p1n1/n2pP3/2pP4/P1P1QN2/1PBN1PPP/R4RK1 w - - id "RemiC.0016"; am
>Bxg6;
>4r1k1/1ppn3p/p1bprppN/8/qPPQPB2/2P3RP/P3R1P1/6K1 b - - id "RemiC.0017"; bm Kg7;
>am Kf8 Kh8
>rnbq1rk1/pp3ppp/3b1n2/1N1p4/3P4/1PP2N2/5PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQ - id "RemiC.0018"; am
>Nxa7
>r2q1rk1/pp1n1pp1/2pnp3/6P1/Pb1P4/3BP3/1PQ2PN1/R1B2RK1 w - - id "RemiC.0019"; bm
>f4 e4; am g6;
>1r1qr1k1/p4ppp/2pb1n2/3p1b2/3B4/1BN5/PPPQ1PPP/1R3RK1 w - - id "RemiC.0020"; am
>Kh1;
>1k4rr/p1p5/1p6/1R1P2p1/2q2p1p/7P/P4PP1/1Q1R2K1 b - - id "RemiC.0021"; bm g4; am
>Rd8;
>3r1rk1/pb4p1/2npp2p/2p2p2/1qP1B2N/1P2P3/P4PPP/R2QR1K1 w - - id "RemiC.0022"; bm
>Bxc6; am Bf3;
>3r2k1/pb4p1/2n1pr1p/2p2p2/1qPp3N/1P2PB2/P3QPPP/R2R2K1 w - - id "RemiC.0023"; bm
>Bxc6 exd4 a3; am Kf1;
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