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Subject: Re: Acquiring the Hiarcs 7.32 engine with Fritz 5.32 (or the reverse)

Author: Steve Maughan

Date: 00:25:53 08/06/99

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Steve

>Although my brief research makes Fritz an attractive buy, I am very intrigued by
>the following excerpt from the Hiarcs 7.32 features documentation:
>
>  The new 32Bit version of Hiarcs does not clear its hash tables between
>  moves which makes it fantastically suited for the automated backward
>  game analysis in the Hiarcs7.32 user interface. In backward analysis, a
>  program with persistent hash tables knows about the further game
>  continuation and thus looks much deeper.  And supported by position
>  learning you can show the program the dangers of a variation which it
>  would normally stumble into in analysis and thus force it to look for
>  superior alternatives.
>
>  Hiarcs7.32 accesses the Nalimov Tablebases in the search tree. This
>  boosts playing strength in simple endgames dramatically. In contrast,
>  Fritz5.32 only evaluates endgame databases at the root.
>
>Questions:
>
>1.  To experienced Hiarcs 7.32 users:  is the above excerpt for real?  I've
>never heard of "backward game analysis" before.  How/when is this used?

When HIARCS analyses a game it starts at theback and works forward.  This means
that the Hash table has 'better' information as it contains the moves actually
played -  leading to a deeper vision.


>To simplify responses to my remaining questions, please ASSUME that Hiarcs 7.32
>search engine has an advantage re above excerpt, and that Fritz has faster
>nodes/sec search engine.
>
>2.  Rather than spending (approx.) $100 to acquire both, is it possible to
>economically get the advantages of both under one umbrella (i.e. Fritz 5.32 with
>the Hiarcs 7.32 search engine as an add-on, or the REVERSE)?  This question
>really has two parts:
>
>2a. Can the Hiarcs 7.32 search engine (only, with no interface) be purchased for
>significantly less than the $48+ of the full Hiarcs 7.32 package, and then
>"plugged into" Fritz 5.32 as an add-on.  Also included in question 2a is the
>REVERSE, re buying and plugging Fritz engine into Hiarcs.

No!  But is $48 really going to break the bank?  It a bargan

>2b. Will the plug-in strategy of Question 2a truly consolidate both advantages?
>For example, the above excerpt suggests that the Hiarcs 7.32 interface allows
>"automated backward game analysis", while the Fritz interface does not.  I infer
>that plugging the Fritz engine into the Hiarcs 7.32 package will achieve my
>goal, while the reverse will not.  IS THIS TRUE?

HIARCS' and FRITZ's GUI are virtually identical.  You can use FRITZ in Hiarcs
and Hiarcs in Fritz.

>3.  In the rec.games.chess.computers newsgroup, someone informally contrasted
>the two search engines (Fritz 5.32 vs Hiarcs 7.32) by calling Fritz a tactical
>monster, and indicating that Hiarcs more often "agrees" with the move actually
>chosen by the Grandmaster.  Perhaps this relates to Hiarcs' "backward game
>analysis" feature.  Intriguing, REQUEST FEEDBACK ON THIS.

Hiarcs is IMHO the better engine.  It's excellent at tactics and positional
play.  If you were to get only one - get HIARCS 7.32

>4.  Taking everything above with a large boulder of salt:  if it is all true,
>then I infer that Fritz is consistently superior in analyzing a "static"
>position (i.e. setup a position and then say analyze).  REQUEST FEEDBACK ON
>THIS.

Yes - but not much in it!

Regards

Steve Maughan



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