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Subject: Re: N-best feature for Rebel

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 07:33:55 08/08/99

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On August 07, 1999 at 17:04:31, Eelco de Groot wrote:

>Paolo, I believe you are not the first to ask for this kind of feature :-).
>Maybe this would mean a major rewrite of Rebel's engine or even a totally
>separate N-best Engine? As it is written in assembly language, this would be a
>tough job. Maybe if you ask Christophe very nicely one day....(ChessTiger is
>written in C). Actually I have never tried this kind of feature, isn't it very
>slow?
>
>Regards,Eelco.
>
>On August 07, 1999 at 08:49:47, Paulo Soares wrote:
>
>>On August 07, 1999 at 04:19:48, Tina Long wrote:
>>
>>>On August 06, 1999 at 12:39:15, Paulo Soares wrote:
>>>
>>>>Whithout doubt: Hiarcs7.32
>>>>
>>>>Paulo Soares
>>>
>>>I agree,
>>>The Fritz GUI allows: excellent "Correspondence Analysis",  printable gamefile
>>>with annotations, backwards with English (verbous) game analysis, good editable
>>>book, great database features, etc etc.
>>>
>>>Hiarcs is currently the smartest engine for the CBase family,  Fritz is much
>>>faster & deeper.  The slowsmart vs fastdeep is roughly equivalent at Tournament
>>>time, but (I feel) Hiarcs does better for long time analysis.
>>>
>>>Chessbase 7 does all this & a whole lot more, but is extremely expensive
>>>compared to F5.32 or H7.32
>>>
>>>Meanwhile Rebel Century may be worth waiting for. Ed says it's got a special
>>>"overnight" analysis level.
>>>
>>>Hi guys,
>>>Tina Long
>>
>>Tina, Rebel is a great program for analysis too, but I feel lack of
>>the "Infinite Analyses" feature (N moves). I like to analyze positions
>>looking at some moves, with its variants and evaluations. When Ed
>>goes to put this feature in Rebel?
>>
>>Paulo Soares

Eelco, I never had made a comparison between  "normal" mode and "infinite
analyses" mode.  I was curious and I made the following experience:

1. System: PII 300, RAM=192Mb, OS WIN98.

2. Program: Hiarcs7.32, HT=64Mb, Position Learning=OFF, Playng Style=Normal,
            Selectivity=5, Contempy Value=15, Tablebase=OFF.

3. Position: LCTII, Pos14, key move= d5.
	 FEN "r2qkb1r/1b3ppp/p3pn2/1p6/1n1P4/1BN2N2/PP2QPPP/R1BR2K1 w kq 0 2",

4. Time to finish depth 9:
   4.1. Normal: 309"(5min 09sec)
   4.2. Infinite Analyses(N=6): 1000"(16min 40sec)

5. Move chosen in the end of depth 9:
   5.1. Normal: d5 (Evaluation= +0.55)
   5.2. Infinite Analyses(N=6): a4 (Evaluation= +0.41)


Obs: I initiated each test after to give a boot in the machine.

In the experience that I made the "Infinite Analyses" mode it's really
very slow, and the key move, d5, it was not found.
Independent of the result of that experience, I like to analize
positions using the "Infinite Analyses" mode, forcing the program
to make a move, with satisfactory results.

Paulo Soares






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