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Subject: Re: give up

Author: Christopher R. Dorr

Date: 12:08:21 08/09/99

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On August 09, 1999 at 14:22:49, walter irvin wrote:

>>Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>>
>>WHy do you post such statements if you are unwilling to back them up? They fly
>>in the face of *all* evidence and experience. You must realize that they appear
>>very peculiar to say the least.
>>
>>Chris Dorr
>>USCF Master

>well  the thing is i have played many more games vs computers than you , does
>not mean i better than you , maybe better against computers . its a possibility
>.plus my true rating is not 1616 ,1250 ect they are ratings based on see below
>posting .i think im some where around 2100 or so .but that will change as i have
>been practicing 6 or 7 hr. day every day .my new financial situation allows me
>to devote much more time than ever before .plus i will be able to compete a
>whole lot more .plus i have something you need to be champion i believe in
>myself 100%.

First off, I strongly doubt that you have played more games against computers
than I have. I have been playing computers almost as long as I have been playing
chess (almost 20 years). I have written programs, written opening books for
serious programs (NOW, by Mark Lefler, when it competed in the Harvard Cup), and
played tens of thousands of games (literally) against a variety of gprograms.
Even with this kind of experience, I still get smashed regularly by good
programs. They are simply much better than a USCF 2150-2200 type like me. By
extension, it appears clear that they are even *more* superior to a 1616. It is
very hard to believe that you can beat them. You must prove this to us.

I am happy for you that you will be able to devote more time to chess, but if
you are going to post such messages on here, you will need to prove what you
say. For us to give any credence at all to what you say, you will need to either
submit games against a program that can be verified, or preferably play on ICS
against Crafty, as Bob Hyatt has offered.

Believing in yourself is fine. Saying that you can handily beat every program
out there requires more than that...it requires proof. You have been offered the
chance to prove yourself. Crafty (or another program) could be made available
virtually any time to play you. Please indicate one of the following:

1. "I will play Crafty on such a date"

2. "I will submit verifiable games that I have played to prove my claim"

3. "I refuse to play, and therefore admit that what I said before wasn't true,
and that I recognize that I'd get smashed by a good program under equal
conditions"

You did, after all, ititiate this with your claims. If you are going to make
these claims you need to back them up; not back out with excuses like "My
program isn't ready to play in public yet" ...if you can't prove the clathen
please don't waste our time here by making it.

Chris






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