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Subject: Re: give up

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 15:09:28 08/09/99

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On August 09, 1999 at 16:18:56, walter irvin wrote:

>On August 09, 1999 at 15:08:21, Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>
>>On August 09, 1999 at 14:22:49, walter irvin wrote:
>>
>>>>Christopher R. Dorr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>WHy do you post such statements if you are unwilling to back them up? They fly
>>>>in the face of *all* evidence and experience. You must realize that they appear
>>>>very peculiar to say the least.
>>>>
>>>>Chris Dorr
>>>>USCF Master
>>
>>>well  the thing is i have played many more games vs computers than you , does
>>>not mean i better than you , maybe better against computers . its a possibility
>>>.plus my true rating is not 1616 ,1250 ect they are ratings based on see below
>>>posting .i think im some where around 2100 or so .but that will change as i have
>>>been practicing 6 or 7 hr. day every day .my new financial situation allows me
>>>to devote much more time than ever before .plus i will be able to compete a
>>>whole lot more .plus i have something you need to be champion i believe in
>>>myself 100%.
>>
>>First off, I strongly doubt that you have played more games against computers
>>than I have. I have been playing computers almost as long as I have been playing
>>chess (almost 20 years). I have written programs, written opening books for
>>serious programs (NOW, by Mark Lefler, when it competed in the Harvard Cup), and
>>played tens of thousands of games (literally) against a variety of gprograms.
>>Even with this kind of experience, I still get smashed regularly by good
>>programs. They are simply much better than a USCF 2150-2200 type like me. By
>>extension, it appears clear that they are even *more* superior to a 1616. It is
>>very hard to believe that you can beat them. You must prove this to us.
>>
>>I am happy for you that you will be able to devote more time to chess, but if
>>you are going to post such messages on here, you will need to prove what you
>>say. For us to give any credence at all to what you say, you will need to either
>>submit games against a program that can be verified, or preferably play on ICS
>>against Crafty, as Bob Hyatt has offered.
>>
>>Believing in yourself is fine. Saying that you can handily beat every program
>>out there requires more than that...it requires proof. You have been offered the
>>chance to prove yourself. Crafty (or another program) could be made available
>>virtually any time to play you. Please indicate one of the following:
>>
>>1. "I will play Crafty on such a date"
>>
>>2. "I will submit verifiable games that I have played to prove my claim"
>>
>>3. "I refuse to play, and therefore admit that what I said before wasn't true,
>>and that I recognize that I'd get smashed by a good program under equal
>>conditions"
>>
>>You did, after all, ititiate this with your claims. If you are going to make
>>these claims you need to back them up; not back out with excuses like "My
>>program isn't ready to play in public yet" ...if you can't prove the clathen
>>please don't waste our time here by making it.
>>
>>Chris
>ok im willing to play crafty on icc , i simply want 3 weeks to prepare ,i just
>want a decent time control ,i think i can handle 15 15 is the fastest i'll
>play.by the way ive been playing computer chess since 1978,plus i was stationed
>on a remote out post in germany in the army for 6 1/2 years i had not much else
>to do but play chess,i could not find people strong enough so i played computers
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Hi Walter,
  You said that you can beat any computer fairly easy so why do you need so much
preperation if you are as good as you say that you are???

Regards,Terry



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