Author: Mark Young
Date: 19:26:50 08/09/99
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On August 09, 1999 at 20:32:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 09, 1999 at 18:30:57, Mark Young wrote: > >>On August 09, 1999 at 17:04:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 09, 1999 at 14:22:49, walter irvin wrote: >>> >>>>On August 09, 1999 at 09:46:17, Christopher R. Dorr wrote: >>>> >>>>>Are you the Walter Irvin with a USCF rating of 1616? Or the Walter Irvin with a >>>>>USCF rating of 1250? If so, it is totally inconceivable that you are even >>>>>*remotely near* the strength of any of the top programs. I know...I am a USCF >>>>>Master (rated 500+ points higher than you), and I am not even near them. >>>>> >>>>>You were on here several months ago talking about how you had the best program >>>>>in the world, etc. But you refused to allow me to play it. You made an >>>>>outrageous claim then, and you are making an outrageous claim now. >>>>> >>>>>If you expect *anyone* here to give any credence at all to anything you say (and >>>>>not just about this...literally any comment you make will be considered trivial >>>>>unless you validate yourself on this one) you must prove your statement. >>>>> >>>>>Bob Hyatt offered to let you play Crafty on ICC. If you can beat Crafty (without >>>>>the aid of a computer on your end), then your statement may have some merit. But >>>>>unless you do this, you will be considered some random crank, who just logs on >>>>>every once in a while, and who obviously knows so little about computer and >>>>>chess that his statements should be ignored completely. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>WHy do you post such statements if you are unwilling to back them up? They fly >>>>>in the face of *all* evidence and experience. You must realize that they appear >>>>>very peculiar to say the least. >>>>> >>>>>Chris Dorr >>>>>USCF Master >>>>well the thing is i have played many more games vs computers than you , does >>>>not mean i better than you , maybe better against computers . its a possibility >>>>.plus my true rating is not 1616 ,1250 ect they are ratings based on see below >>>>posting .i think im some where around 2100 or so .but that will change as i have >>>>been practicing 6 or 7 hr. day every day .my new financial situation allows me >>>>to devote much more time than ever before .plus i will be able to compete a >>>>whole lot more .plus i have something you need to be champion i believe in >>>>myself 100%. >>>>> >>> >>>If your real rating is 1600, then you really don't stand a snowball's chance >>>in you-know-where of beating a computer program on decent hardware, without >>>taking back moves or seeing analysis. It just won't happen... >> >>I am glad you brought up the point about seeing the computers analysis. I know >>many players at the club who claimed they could beat or draw one of the top >>programs. In all the cases I have seen they could only do this if they could see >>the programs thinking lines. After I "showed them how to turn off the analysis." >>It was crush city for the programs, but of course they claim they never looked >>at the analysis when they were playing.:) In my state the best player is IM Mike >>Brooks, and we has just a hand full of masters and most of them a below 2300. >>There is no doubt in my mind that the best programs could beat or crush any play >>in my state at any over the board time control. >> >>> >>> > > > >Actually I think there is a more common reason. "take back". > >Helps an awful lot, and most people do it so often, they forget they are >even doing it... just "damn.. forgot about that, hmmm.. I was distracted so >I'm going to take it back since I _really_ wouldn't have done that in a real >game..." You may be correct, this is the reason...but with someone else watch the game...if you take back a move you lose in my book. This is not golf.. > >:) > > > > >>> >>>>> >>>>>On August 08, 1999 at 21:21:14, walter irvin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>i just dont think it can be done .no one can build a chess program that i can >>>>>>not beat, not even me .hiarcs was doing good the first 3 or 4 games , now easy >>>>>>money .this coming from a under 2000 elo player .if i find it easy gm should >>>>>>find it childs play ?????????
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