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Subject: Re: Has Shredder 4 ever lost a game?

Author: walter irvin

Date: 14:46:09 08/10/99

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On August 10, 1999 at 15:21:35, odell hall wrote:

>On August 10, 1999 at 14:56:01, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>On August 10, 1999 at 14:44:51, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>On August 10, 1999 at 11:43:00, Brian Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 10, 1999 at 08:17:53, blass uri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 10, 1999 at 08:13:48, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In WCCC it didn't lose a single game and Karpov cannot beat it. So is it
>>>>>>totally unbeaten? Maybe Kasparov should try :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Karpov did not beat it but it does not say that he cannot beat it.
>>>>>The game was faster then tournament time control.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>What was the final result in the Karpov-Shredder match anyway (I think I was on
>>>>vacation)?
>>>
>>>
>>>You guys really kill me with this faster than tournament time control business.
>>>I mean the game was 40\90 minutes which is only a half hour shorter than normal
>>>as if karpov is going to play 100 elo pts stronger or something.  If a player
>>>cannot come up with and execute a reasonable plan in 40\90 what makes you think
>>>he would do it with a mere extra 30 minutes. Hyaat says this same thing as
>>>yourself , which i think is completely unreasonable.
>>
>>AFAIK Karpov had a huge position and a huge time scramble.  Perhaps you ought to
>>take that into account before saying that an extra 30 minutes wouldn't have
>>mattered.
>>
>>Dave
>
>
>  No forgive me, but I am just a little tired of hearing people come up with all
>kinds of excuses why the human did not win instead of simply giving the program
>and it's programmer the praise they deserve.  Obviously the programmer is
>incredibly strong if the word champion could not put it away at 40/90. The fact
>that he was even in a time scrabble adds credence to the strength of schredder.
>All you hear is the the same lame excuses to much noise, not enough time ect,
>yet karpov would beat any human international master easily under all these
>conditions.  Again this is never mentioned or considered.
no one can argue with you cause you are right!!!



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