Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 17:56:33 08/13/99
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On August 13, 1999 at 19:28:32, James Robertson wrote: >On August 13, 1999 at 18:48:04, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On August 13, 1999 at 17:47:03, James Robertson wrote: >> >>>I have an incredibly hard time believing this when watching humans rated from >>>1700 and up beat it at G/5, G/10, etc. I myself have never seen its rating >>>higher than 2100 blitz on FICS, and it usually sits at about 2050. After >7000 >>>rated games, I think the FICS rating might be more accurate than 3 games by the >>>author of that article's son. >>> >>>James >> >>James, i have my doubts about the accuracy of games played Internationaly on >>FICS because of the cheating and especially against a lower rated program is a >>target to increase ones rating! Getting back to the article, Larry analysed its >>games and performed his tests to determine his answer to Sapphires strength and >>he himself no doubt fooled around with it and played a few! ( Speculation ) >> I forgot to mention that i have a friend who is rated USCF 2065 and has been an >>Expert for a very long time and he is 78 yrs old. He owns the SapphireII and he >>says that he played 46 games at 40/2hrs and scored a total of only 12.5 points >>out of 46! I have another friend who just purchased one so he can take it to >>work and get practice as he has several hours per day that he could be playing >>to help keep him in shape. He is in the low 1900's and it will be interesting to >>see what results he gets against it. I myself never had the chance to play >>against it. >> >>Regards,Terry > >Just a quick thought on FICS cheating: I have played over 1000 rated games on >FICS and only once can I remember meeting a player who's rating was much lower >than his play (he was 1200 and won a tournament with mean rating > 1800). > >I have played SapphireII (I'm fluctuating between 1700 and 1800 FICS) and don't >think it is master. I have also never beaten it, but just the latest blitz game >I was several pawns up before blundering 3 moves in a row and missing mate in 1. > > >James > Hi once again James, Lets assume that SapphireII just made Master strength at "2200". Now lets assume what you say is accurate in regard to your rating fluctuating from 1700 to 1800 USCF. By these figures you should win between 5.3% to 9.1% of your games against SapphireII. Now just say that it is only 2050 USCF, that would mean that you will win between 11.8% to 19.2% against SapphireII. My Expert friend won 12.5 out of 46 games which gives him a win factor of 27.2%. If these figures are correct that are stated by the USCF,that would make my friend's win % show that his opponent was 170 USCF points stronger than him (2065+170= 2235 USCF Rating for SapphireII).This of course is only accurate if my friend is still rated 2065, but i can say that he is still active in our club but didn't play any recent tournaments in the past year. I hope that the future brings us the answers to these questions of man vrs.-machine and how strong the Monsters really are. Maybe the Rebel matches will help us understand a little more about our favorite beasts! Best regards, Terry
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