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Subject: Re: Computers are Draw Masters VS Grandmasters.

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 22:36:03 08/14/99

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On August 14, 1999 at 23:32:52, Pete Galati wrote:

>On August 14, 1999 at 22:22:24, odell hall wrote:
>
>>CCC
>>
>>
>>   It is starting to look as if Computers Lack the creativity to defeat the
>>grandmasters, Most of the 40/2 games between GM's and computers have been draws.
>> Apparently the longer time controls are nullifying the computers main strenghs
>>which is tactics. I expect to see even more draws in the future as more contest
>>are arranged.  Many grandmasters will not take the neccessary rick to defeat the
>>computers, The defensive abilities of the machine is it's second greates
>>strength. I believe that based on the 10 40/2 games played so far the computers
>>have clearly demonstrated Grandmaster strength. For those who will claim that
>>because computers have not beaten the grandmasters, that the computers are not
>>grandmasters, Remember one can say the same of grandmasters inability to defeat
>>the computers, I think though more games will certainly help in clarifying the
>>issue ultimately. I don't know about anyoneelse but I am impressed that rebel
>>could draw two grandmasters in a row!
>
>I havn't been following those games but it sounds like probably a clear
>demonstration of the fact that Chess programs calculate moves but don't think.
>But that's just a running problem.
>
>I've been trying to run a match between 2 primative programs, SCP and TSCP (very
>tedious). Admittedly TSCP has been modified to search to 5ply and SCP is stock.
>But it's very aggrivateing because in the first game TSCP had clearly won the
>game, and SCP was able to pull off a repetition draw. If TSCP could think, that
>wouldn't have happened, there would have been a pawn promotion, but it turned
>into a draw. The second game, exact opposite, another draw.
>
>Of course what you're talking about is much more impressive software, but to a
>large extent, I see the problem as being the same.
>
>Pete


  I believe that more draws are happening because of the style which some grand-
masters are using against the tactical monsters!

Terry



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