Author: Mark Young
Date: 01:02:44 08/15/99
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On August 15, 1999 at 01:36:03, Terry Ripple wrote: >On August 14, 1999 at 23:32:52, Pete Galati wrote: > >>On August 14, 1999 at 22:22:24, odell hall wrote: >> >>>CCC >>> >>> >>> It is starting to look as if Computers Lack the creativity to defeat the >>>grandmasters, Most of the 40/2 games between GM's and computers have been draws. >>> Apparently the longer time controls are nullifying the computers main strenghs >>>which is tactics. I expect to see even more draws in the future as more contest >>>are arranged. Many grandmasters will not take the neccessary rick to defeat the >>>computers, The defensive abilities of the machine is it's second greates >>>strength. I believe that based on the 10 40/2 games played so far the computers >>>have clearly demonstrated Grandmaster strength. For those who will claim that >>>because computers have not beaten the grandmasters, that the computers are not >>>grandmasters, Remember one can say the same of grandmasters inability to defeat >>>the computers, I think though more games will certainly help in clarifying the >>>issue ultimately. I don't know about anyoneelse but I am impressed that rebel >>>could draw two grandmasters in a row! >> >>I havn't been following those games but it sounds like probably a clear >>demonstration of the fact that Chess programs calculate moves but don't think. >>But that's just a running problem. >> >>I've been trying to run a match between 2 primative programs, SCP and TSCP (very >>tedious). Admittedly TSCP has been modified to search to 5ply and SCP is stock. >>But it's very aggrivateing because in the first game TSCP had clearly won the >>game, and SCP was able to pull off a repetition draw. If TSCP could think, that >>wouldn't have happened, there would have been a pawn promotion, but it turned >>into a draw. The second game, exact opposite, another draw. >> >>Of course what you're talking about is much more impressive software, but to a >>large extent, I see the problem as being the same. >> >>Pete > > > I believe that more draws are happening because of the style which some grand- >masters are using against the tactical monsters! > >Terry I don't mind the draw in this game. Rebel had black, and Rohde's looked hard and used a lot of time in trying to break down Rebels defense, and came away with nothing. I do think Rebel had a more aggresive line he could have played at the end of the game, but it is not clear it was winning except it could have force Rohdes to lose on time or blunder, as he was very short on time. I think Rebel is on the right track now...and is playing some strong chess, but it is still a bit passive at times.
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