Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 01:34:15 08/15/99
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On August 15, 1999 at 04:02:44, Mark Young wrote: >On August 15, 1999 at 01:36:03, Terry Ripple wrote: > >>On August 14, 1999 at 23:32:52, Pete Galati wrote: >> >>>On August 14, 1999 at 22:22:24, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>CCC >>>> >>>> >>>> It is starting to look as if Computers Lack the creativity to defeat the >>>>grandmasters, Most of the 40/2 games between GM's and computers have been draws. >>>> Apparently the longer time controls are nullifying the computers main strenghs >>>>which is tactics. I expect to see even more draws in the future as more contest >>>>are arranged. Many grandmasters will not take the neccessary rick to defeat the >>>>computers, The defensive abilities of the machine is it's second greates >>>>strength. I believe that based on the 10 40/2 games played so far the computers >>>>have clearly demonstrated Grandmaster strength. For those who will claim that >>>>because computers have not beaten the grandmasters, that the computers are not >>>>grandmasters, Remember one can say the same of grandmasters inability to defeat >>>>the computers, I think though more games will certainly help in clarifying the >>>>issue ultimately. I don't know about anyoneelse but I am impressed that rebel >>>>could draw two grandmasters in a row! >>> >>>I havn't been following those games but it sounds like probably a clear >>>demonstration of the fact that Chess programs calculate moves but don't think. >>>But that's just a running problem. >>> >>>I've been trying to run a match between 2 primative programs, SCP and TSCP (very >>>tedious). Admittedly TSCP has been modified to search to 5ply and SCP is stock. >>>But it's very aggrivateing because in the first game TSCP had clearly won the >>>game, and SCP was able to pull off a repetition draw. If TSCP could think, that >>>wouldn't have happened, there would have been a pawn promotion, but it turned >>>into a draw. The second game, exact opposite, another draw. >>> >>>Of course what you're talking about is much more impressive software, but to a >>>large extent, I see the problem as being the same. >>> >>>Pete >> >> >> I believe that more draws are happening because of the style which some grand- >>masters are using against the tactical monsters! >> >>Terry > > >I don't mind the draw in this game. Rebel had black, and Rohde's looked hard and >used a lot of time in trying to break down Rebels defense, and came away with >nothing. I do think Rebel had a more aggresive line he could have played at the >end of the game, but it is not clear it was winning except it could have force >Rohdes to lose on time or blunder, as he was very short on time. > >I think Rebel is on the right track now...and is playing some strong chess, but >it is still a bit passive at times. The SLAV-defence leaves you no other choice than to defend. This is something else than playing passive. The SLAV-defence has been tried many times at Aegon and was very successful. It is a rock-solid choice. Ed Schroder
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