Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 10:53:56 08/15/99
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On August 15, 1999 at 07:58:17, Ed Schröder wrote: >On August 15, 1999 at 05:15:08, Micheal Cummings wrote: > >>On August 15, 1999 at 04:47:50, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On August 15, 1999 at 03:25:48, Micheal Cummings wrote: >>> >>>>After seeing two draws and a loss for Rebel, my second favorite program after >>>>CM6K is sadly becoming sorry to look at. I do not think that this is a good >>>>sales pitch for Rebel. Its fine getting the publicity in playing these games, >>>>but if you cannot get a win then things start to get old real fast. >>>> >>>>The first two games drew some comment in CCC. But I have seen very little with >>>>this third game. I think that if after 5 games Rebel has not won and it is still >>>>being played on the same hardware, either change the plan or dump it. Rebel can >>>>not become a program that tries to compete against strong humans and does not >>>>win. >>>> >>>>I know more games needed to be played with humans against computers and this is >>>>great. But my current view of Rebel and the upcoming Rebel windows realease is >>>>that the partnership with chesspartner interface is a step down and I think the >>>>current non winning Rebel on powerful hardware is not doing it any service. >>>> >>>>Lets hope rebel can turn this down period around and get back on track. I am >>>>many others like winners. Appearence is everything. And Rebel is not appearing >>>>well at the moment. Lets hope this changes in Rebels favour soon. >>> >>>GM Sorin said Rebel played very well. Yesterday GM Rohde told me he hadn't >>>seen Rebel make one single bad move. Personally I am very satisfied with >>>these 2 draws in a row. I have seen these GM's at Aegon crushing computers >>>and I was always impressed in the way they did that, slowly killing the >>>silicon on positional grounds. >>> >>>GM's are by far superior when the topic is understanding the game of chess >>>and that will remain for a very long time and maybe even after 100 years. >>> >>>Two years ago the discussion was, do computers play at IM level. We seem >>>to have passed this discussion as we now wonder about the GM strength. >>> >>>I have to much respect for GM's and their skills of chess to say Rebel >>>plays on GM level yet. Let's wait for next games. >>> >>>Ed Schroder >> >>Hi Ed >> >>You are right, but I am just a bit sad that Rebel has not won yet. Rebel 10 I >>like, along with CM6K. But would you say that Rebel would outplay a GM or would >>it be that a GM would stuff up and Rebel would take advantage of it. >> >>On the current hardware which do you think your program would be. Outplay, or >>win from a GM stuff up. > >When I look at the 3 games in total I do believe it is possible for Rebel >to get even in score after say 10 games, meaning 5-5 as a result. Time will >tell but I am more optimistic then when I started this GM challenge. > >Ed Schroder GMs don't win every game they play against each other either. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to blow GMs out. IMO it is quite impressive to see strong, steady play by Rebel over entire games vs GMs. Dave
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