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Subject: Re: Interesting position

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:28:59 08/16/99

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On August 13, 1999 at 23:47:35, William Bryant wrote:

>On August 13, 1999 at 03:10:30, James Robertson wrote:
>
>>Today my program encountered JPCrafty in a computer tournament at FICS. In this
>>position:
>>
>>r1b2rk1/4b2p/p1p1p2Q/2q1ppN1/8/8/4B1PP/3R1RK1 w - - id JPCrafty - JRCP, 1999;
>>
>
>My program likes Rf2 but doesn't see a draw
>
>  3      1031     0:00   -5.25  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8
>  4      2882     0:00   -5.20  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Bd3
>  5     14972     0:00   -5.30  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Rc1 Qd6
>  6     35002     0:00   -5.25  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Rc1 Qd6 Bc4
>  7    147262     0:02   -5.05  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Rd8 e4 Qf6+ Kg8 Rxc8 Rfxc8
>Qxe6+ Kh8 Bxa6
>  8    556161     0:10   -5.05  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Rd8 e4 Qf6+ Kg8 Rxc8 Rfxc8
>Qxe6+ Kh8 Bxa6
>  9   2971241     0:51   -4.34  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Rd8 Rxd8 Qxd8+ Kg7 Bxa6 Qc1+
>Bf1 e4
> 10   6658309     1:56   -4.16  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Bf3 Rb8 Rc1 Qd4 Bxc6 e4 Qh6
> 11  14467904     4:12   -4.34  Rf2 Bxg5 Qxg5+ Kh8 Rd8 Rxd8 Qxd8+ Kg7 Qg5+ Kh8
>Qd8+
>
>How are you detecting a draw by perpetual check?
>
>Are you looking for a three fold repetition created by the checks or by another
>method.
>
>This is a weakness of my program I would like to fix.
>
>William
>wbryant@ix.netcom.com


It takes crafty about 45 seconds to find Rf2 with a score of 9.00 on
my PII/300 notebook.  I do repetition by  looking for repeated positions based
on the hash signature...  however, I count 2 repetitions as a draw, which works
fine in a game, but might not work as well if crafty has to 'take over' a human
game.  IE if you can force it to repeat the position once, it assumes you can
force it to repeat it a second time and draw...

In the case of JPCrafty, it is a very slow machine so I doubt it could find this
in reasonable time...




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