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Subject: Re: 99 Summer update. (Chess Tal - Hiarcs 2-0)

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 05:01:17 08/17/99

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On August 17, 1999 at 07:40:06, Ralf Elvsén wrote:
>Ok, it was never there... Maybe a more measured way of
>writing would prevent people (sorry, just me?) from
>getting that false impression, but I guess that is
>not your style.

thats not my way. in computerchess i am most offen very enthusiastic.
it makes me much fun and i like the people and the programs.

>I was under the impression that you had a more or less organized
>cooperation with Chris W. Granted, such cooperation
>can take place without you being interested in the commercial
>success of CSTal. If I misunderstood this I sincerely
>apologize.

I work with chris on his program. but he is not the only programmer
i do this or have done this. although, over the years, we have become friends.
this is all. no money, no contract, no deals.
Whether chris nor me are interested in a commercial success of cstal.
he earns money with buying IMO more or less stupid NON-chess-games.
computerchess is his and my hobby.
and - since he is the boss of a programming-company he forces his company
to produce something that is his hobby.
IMO he is not a professional in computerchess, but an amateur. because
he is not interested much in selling it...

>2-0 is not impossible (obviously). 20-0 is not impossible either,
>but very improbable (not that you implied such a superiority).
>I guess you and I just have different opinions on what conclusions
>can be drawn from a few games. Let us continue to stay pleased in
>our two parallel universes.  Btw, what ARE your conclusions
>from these games?

the same you have: hiarcs and nimzo have a king-safety problem.


>CSTal is clearly better than Hiarcs? Hiarcs have kingside-problems?
>Ah, I see below:

>"all i want is to show that cstal is able to play good
>results against the top programs IF you give it fair conditions".

How good that god gave us the capability to read !

>Ok, if that is your claim, I will consider the hypothesis worth
>testing, although not yet verified or rejected. I personally
>would be glad if the "CSTal-approach" would prove to be succesful
>in this respect. It opens up doors for (in my opinion) more
>interesting programming questions than the "usual" stuff.
>Too bad the programming techniques seem to be so secret (?)

?? I don't think so. chris has tried several times to discuss his
methods. but he resigned doing it because the bean-counter-protagonists
have made him depressive with their NON-understanding of (computer)chess.
Most often they spoke about numbers/statistics and results meanwhile
he talked about chess.

>I think I understand your metaphor, although I consider it
>to be slightly insulting :)

Eating fast food is a part of american culture.
If you believe US-culture is insulting than indeed you have a problem.
IMO having a different culture concerning food is not insulting.
And - in the same way, having a different paradigm in computerchess
is not insulting.
You need 20 games or more to believe.
I need 2 games or even less to get my information.
The one believes in numbers (results like 20-0; 13-7;) the other in what he sees
during the game on the screen. You do COMPUTERchess. I do computerCHESS.

>Ok, I think I know better where you stand now. Thanks for your answer

ok - it was not my intention to insult you. If you have seen some of
my sentences this way, i want to apologize.

Thank you.



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