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Subject: Re: New FIDE World Champion ...

Author: James Robertson

Date: 17:39:51 08/19/99

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On August 19, 1999 at 17:17:27, KarinsDad wrote:

>On August 19, 1999 at 16:14:15, James Robertson wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>>
>>>Fischer, Kasparov. Someone who would have played for a win in every game in such
>>>a short format and wiped his opponents as opposed to these players who say
>>>"Well, I have black first round. So, I will play for a draw and attempt to win
>>>in round two. And if that fails, I may still be able to get into tiebreaks.".
>>>
>>>Bogus. Anyone who draws after 16 moves is not a true champion. For example,
>>>Adams game 2 round 6 after already being down 0-1. Kasparov would have fought
>>>tooth and nail for a win in round 2 and never would have OFFERED a draw.
>>>
>>>KarinsDad :)
>>
>>Well, the player in the field who fits that description is Shirov and he LOST.
>>
>>James
>
>Yes. Shirov's match against Nisipeaunu was very strange. In both games, Shirov's
>king was exposed through most of the game. Why do these superGMs think that they
>can avoid the standard idea to protect their king?

Just his style. He certainly was not lost in game 1, and had a won position in
game 2 but blundered.

>
>In the first game of Nisipeaunu-Shirov, Shirov played the Sicilian and had to
>perpetually check his opponent due to his own king being exposed. He fought, but
>he was in trouble. The game ended after 22 moves. Again, a superGM allowed a
>draw in very few moves. Not the mark of a champion.

His was not a "GM" draw. There is a big difference between a draw with 2 piece
sacrifices and a draw out of the opening.

>How many of Kasparov's games
>end within 22 moves? Even his draws are 40 moves or more on average.

Not any fewer than Shirov.

>
>The second game of Shirov-Nisipeaunu was a real mystery. Shirov tried to force a
>win in a Sicilian

Caro-Kann.

>by throwing his pawns at black. Nisipeaunu calmly checked
>Shirov's king, forcing it to move and effectively stay in the center.

Nisipeanu was _dead_. Bf4 instead of Qe6+? would have WON for Shirov! Every
computer on FICS and almost every analysis I have read said Shirov was
completely won. Read GM Rohde's analysis on www.uschess.org.

I think Shirov is the best example of how this two game knockout is bogus. I
believe he has the makings of a champion, and yet he was knocked out because of
ONE game.

I find it impossible to believe that a two game match with blitz playoffs can
give a result equal to a more traditional round robin and 6 game playoff.

Nisipeanu, Akopian, and Khalifman have all played "GM" draws in this event.
Based on your previous paragraph doesn't this disqualify them from having the
makings of a champion? But one of them will be champion. I hope I don't sound
mean, but I think your argument kind of falls apart here.

James :)

>When
>Shirov's attack faltered, Nisipeaunu calmly moped up. Shirov went for the big
>attack and the big win, but it didn't work. It's not that he didn't play for the
>win. It's that it didn't work. But at least game 2 went beyond the 22 move draw
>of game one.
>
>KarinsDad :)



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