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Subject: Re: Not often, and oh, by the way.

Author: odell hall

Date: 18:25:19 08/20/99

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On August 20, 1999 at 15:40:25, Marc Plum wrote:

>I'm 2271 USCF, but hardly play tournaments any more, maybe 5 since 1996, none
>this year.
>
>Counting only games where I didn't weaken the program in any way, didn't have
>any analysis windows turned on (and of course no takebacks), I have enormous
>minus scores against all the commercial programs.  I have exactly one win
>against Hiarcs 7.01, with perhaps half a dozen draws and twenty-odd losses.
>Against Fritz 5 I can find only five wins of mine in my databases.  Quite a few
>draws, but countless losses (literally, since I empty that autosave database
>from time to time :-)).  I must have at least a hundred losses by now, probably
>more.
>
>Two wins against Rebel 10, two or three against CM6000 in rated games at the
>highest level.  Similar results against several other programs.  My best record
>is probably against MChess 7.1, ten wins and some draws, but still at least a
>hundred losses.  This is all on a P133 (slow these days) with 96M of RAM.  The
>maximum hashtables I've used on any program have been 64M.  Time controls varied



Hello Mark


  That is very surprising that at your rating you have so few wins.  Yes that
was me who conducted the match against the 2278 player.  That match was a
shocker, I can only explain the two wins by the master, on the fact that I was
running hiarcs6 on icc though windows, which no doubt slowed the program up.
What happened is that after hiarcs6 won two games in the row, the master for
some reason just did not want to continue the match.  He said that he was
finding it hard to concentrate against the machine.  I did not want to press
someone who obviously did not want to conintue so we ended the contest




>I think any games I have won against top programs have been due to exploiting
>known computer weaknesses.  I have no chance of outplaying a computer in a
>purely tactical struggle, but can sometimes outmaneuver them.
>
>But this reminds me.  Am I misremembering totally, or was it you who was running
>that match of Hiarcs6 against a low USCF master?  I don't remember any posts
>after the master won the first two and lost the third.  If it was you who was
>making these posts, how did that ever turn out?
>
>Keep on trying. I'm sure you will get your wins eventually.  When you do win, I
>bet you'll look back on the game and think "wow, that was easy".  Then the
>computer will go on another winning streak, but we all have to accept that ;-).
>
>On August 20, 1999 at 03:57:42, odell hall wrote:
>
>>Hi CCC
>>
>>  right now I am rated 1804 uscf and out of 100 games at various time controls I
>>have 0 wins against my four favourite programs  1. Rebel10 2Junior5 3.Hiarcs7 4.
>>Fritz5.32   Although yesterday I did manage a draw against Rebel9.
>>Is it just me or do you have to be 2300 to get a win from computers nowdays?
>>I always play my programs on the strongest settings, so if I win, I can have
>>something to brag about.



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