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Subject: Re: It is not a good problem.

Author: James Robertson

Date: 15:59:20 08/22/99

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On August 22, 1999 at 13:21:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 21, 1999 at 10:56:20, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On August 21, 1999 at 10:34:05, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>On August 21, 1999 at 09:20:34, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On August 21, 1999 at 08:10:55, odell hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On August 21, 1999 at 08:04:43, odell hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On August 21, 1999 at 06:43:55, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On August 21, 1999 at 05:08:58, odell hall wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  So far only Fritz5.32 can solve this position, I am not letting my programs
>>>>>>>>think more than five minutes.  Fritz 5.32 AMD-k2II 350 45mb for fritz solves in
>>>>>>>>47sec!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2n1r1k1/2p1q2p/3pN1p1/3Pp1N1/3bP3/5Q2/2r3PP/R4R1K w - - id Bart - Towerking; bm
>>>>>>>>g5h7;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think that there are many solutions to the problem and g5h7 is not the only
>>>>>>>winning move so it is not a good problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok uri come on icc and i will beat any program you have with Nxh7 just to prove
>>>>>>that it is the winning move.  The next best move is Ra3 which is slightly
>>>>>>inferior. But nxh7!! is definetely the best move! without question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can Fritz5.32 defend this position with black against the program that do not
>>>>>>>find g5h7?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I am defining the Best move as the move which leads to the greatest loss of
>>>>>material for the opposing side. Just because fritz can not defend the position
>>>>>against a program that does not play nxh7 does mean that Nxh7 is not the best
>>>>>move. Maybe you can explain your logic to me. No one said that there was not
>>>>>many good moves in the position, only that Nxh7 is that best.
>>>>
>>>>My logic is that if there is more than 1 winning move then it is not a good
>>>>problem.
>>>>
>>>>My version of Junior after some hours want to play Rab1 with 2.49 pawns
>>>>advantage for white(1.Rab1 h5 2.Qf7+ Qxf7 3.Rxf7 Rf2 4.Rxc7 Bb6 5.Rg7+ Kh8
>>>>6.Nf7+ Rxf7 7.Rxf7... is the main line)
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>I bet if you feed Nxh7 into junior and then let it think, it will see that this
>>>move is stronger
>>
>>I am not sure about it.
>>
>>I gave it more than 10 minutes for the position after Nxh7 and the evaluation
>>was only 1.74 pawns for white.
>>
>>I can prove by a tree that the evaluation is bigger than 3 pawns but the same
>>may hold for Rab1.
>>
>>I agree that
>>1.Nxh7 Kxh7 2.Ra3 Rf2 3.Rxf2 Bxf2 4.Qxf2 Nb6 5.Rh3+ Kg8 6.Rh6
>>is winning for white and that black has no good alternative.
>>
>>I gave the initial position to my Fritz5 engine and with 64M hash tables it
>>found Nxh7 at depth 11 only to go back to Rab1 at depth 12 and with 128M hash it
>>did not find Nxh7 and prefered Rab1 at depth 11 and 12.
>>
>>I have not Fritz5.32 but maybe it can also change its mind to Rab1 if it get
>>more time or more hash tables.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Also Rad1 seems strong.  Crafty gets way over +2 with this move as well...

Rad1 is the move my program likes too.

James



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