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Subject: Re: AlphaBeta has a bug.

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 13:46:04 08/25/99

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On August 25, 1999 at 15:27:43, Bas Hamstra wrote:

>Oops: forgot to tell recursive nullmove was ON. Will test without too.
>
>On August 25, 1999 at 15:19:00, Bas Hamstra wrote:
>
>>Well at least the popular ab approaches have a bug.

the trick with eval > beta is not alpha/beta.  That is a programmer's
trick. However, if you are at a leaf/tip position, that is perfectly
correct...  because with traditional alpha/beta scores can't get > beta
or less than alpha.

If you turn off null move, and turn off hashing, you won't see _any_ of
this nonsense.




>>
>>Suppose you had no tricks, no extensions, no nothing. Just ab and a qsearch on
>>top of it. You set an aspiration window at the root, say [200, 300].
>>
>>Now *if* the true ab value lies within this window, it should find it, right?
>>
>>WRONG!
>>
>>The fact that everyone has a
>>
>>      if(Eval >= Beta) return Beta;
>>
>>somewhere in the qsearch, makes that this no longer must be true. Reason:
>>suppose you sacrifice lots of material, but can win more material back, due to
>>severe mating threats, or whatever. With the window [240, 260] the qsearch
>>concludes at some point to return Beta because of the material advantage (3
>>pieces sacced), resulting in a fail-low on the [240, 260] window. However whith
>>a wider window it can NOT do this, and finds the true value of 246. It now sees
>>the material can be won back with rent.
>>
>>My conclusion is that a fail low on [240, 260] followed by a result of 246
>>on [-inf, inf] is completely normal and unavoidable in many cases. It also
>>explains this:
>>
>>  fail low on [240, 260]
>>  fail high on [-inf, 241]
>>  value = 246 on [-inf, inf]
>>
>>I don't like it. Suppose you start ab with [-inf, inf] and after a while
>>alphabeta itsself has established a window of [x, y], halfway the search.
>>Shouldn't the same phenomenon be possible?
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>Bas Hamstra.



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