Author: Mark Young
Date: 21:14:14 08/26/99
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On August 27, 1999 at 00:09:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 26, 1999 at 21:34:13, odell hall wrote: > >>On August 26, 1999 at 14:01:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 26, 1999 at 12:55:01, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 1999 at 10:36:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 08:41:37, odell hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 07:32:06, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 02:21:39, odell hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in how crafty would do against Grandmaster Atopkian do >>>>>>>>a Search Crafty Vagr on icc. After these Games were played I asked Akopian What >>>>>>>>happened surprised that he lost. He said he was experimenting with some opening. >>>>>>>>However he admitted that he could not beat crafty and claimed this fact as the >>>>>>>>reason he played it so few games. Ofcourse these were all blitz games. Akopian >>>>>>>>said that playing the computers at 40/2 would not be interesting for him because >>>>>>>>they would be no challenge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think Akopian is plain wrong on this matter. Playing the best programs at 40/2 >>>>>>>is already a challenge even to the very best human players in the world, and >>>>>>>Akopian is hardly in that league (Kasparov, Anand, Kramminik, etc., etc.). FIDE >>>>>>>Championship, these days, is a display of physical will and blitz wizardy. It >>>>>>>has little to do with top level chess. >>>>>>>I'd love to see a tournament involving the greatest human and the better >>>>>>>computers, round robin, $500.000 to 1st place. Matters should be more clear, >>>>>>>them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cláudio. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> While I do believe programs are low GM Strength I don't think any program out >>>>>>there could defeat a 2600 Grandmaster like akopian at 40/2 in a match. I don't >>>>>>think one has to be garry kasparov , or annand to beat the best micros at long >>>>>>time controls. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You had better be careful... you are beginning to sound a lot like me. >>>>> >>>>>:) >>>> >>>> No Bob I have never maintained that Computers are 2600 strength. I do believe >>>>they are between 2500-2540, ofcourse this is a long way from where you stand, I >>>>believe you said they are around the low 2400's. In view of all the recent 40/2 >>>>games I doubt you still have such a low opionion of programs. >>> >>> >>>I have been fairly consistent saying 2450 is what I would peg as the upper bound >>>of today's programs... >>> >>>lets see, estimated TPR so far would be roughly 2200+2600+2600 (one loss, >>>rating-400, two draws, generously giving the opponents 2600 ratings). That >>>turns out to be 7400/3 which is 2466. Right in line with my speculation, >>>wouldn't you say? >> >> >> >> This May sound good, but there is only one major problem, You are >>conviently ignoring the results at the WCCC99 Where Fritz5 beat Sokolov along >>with the draws against 2600+ players, I bet if you factor in these number that >>2466 will disappear. Even if you were correct how can you make a elo claim >>based on three games, I am sure you know this is not accurate. COme on Bob Let >>go of the pride and admitt that computers are much better than you originally >>thought. You yourself admitted that Rebel's results so far are very good. > > >(1) you can't cherry pick. IE you can't pick a tournament where fritz does >well and use that, and ignore one where it gets torn up. I am using Rebel as >a reference point, because I am just taking _every_ game in Ed's GM challenge, >and not counting others. > >Count them if you want, of course... but if you pick the right events, you >can prove anything you want... It's been done before... > >(2) you can use 3 games to produce a 'performance rating'. That is what it is >all about. And yes, I think 2466 is a very good result for Rebel. It is a bit >better than I expected... and is no disgrace at all. I agree that using ed's data is the right thing to do. Now that Ed's is no longer going to change the program and has the bugs work out it seems, the rest of the games should be very telling this this regard.
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