Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 22:28:41 08/26/99
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On August 27, 1999 at 00:09:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On August 26, 1999 at 21:34:13, odell hall wrote: > >>On August 26, 1999 at 14:01:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On August 26, 1999 at 12:55:01, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 1999 at 10:36:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 08:41:37, odell hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 07:32:06, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 02:21:39, odell hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in how crafty would do against Grandmaster Atopkian do >>>>>>>>a Search Crafty Vagr on icc. After these Games were played I asked Akopian What >>>>>>>>happened surprised that he lost. He said he was experimenting with some opening. >>>>>>>>However he admitted that he could not beat crafty and claimed this fact as the >>>>>>>>reason he played it so few games. Ofcourse these were all blitz games. Akopian >>>>>>>>said that playing the computers at 40/2 would not be interesting for him because >>>>>>>>they would be no challenge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I think Akopian is plain wrong on this matter. Playing the best programs at 40/2 >>>>>>>is already a challenge even to the very best human players in the world, and >>>>>>>Akopian is hardly in that league (Kasparov, Anand, Kramminik, etc., etc.). FIDE >>>>>>>Championship, these days, is a display of physical will and blitz wizardy. It >>>>>>>has little to do with top level chess. >>>>>>>I'd love to see a tournament involving the greatest human and the better >>>>>>>computers, round robin, $500.000 to 1st place. Matters should be more clear, >>>>>>>them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Cláudio. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> While I do believe programs are low GM Strength I don't think any program out >>>>>>there could defeat a 2600 Grandmaster like akopian at 40/2 in a match. I don't >>>>>>think one has to be garry kasparov , or annand to beat the best micros at long >>>>>>time controls. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You had better be careful... you are beginning to sound a lot like me. >>>>> >>>>>:) >>>> >>>> No Bob I have never maintained that Computers are 2600 strength. I do believe >>>>they are between 2500-2540, ofcourse this is a long way from where you stand, I >>>>believe you said they are around the low 2400's. In view of all the recent 40/2 >>>>games I doubt you still have such a low opionion of programs. >>> >>> >>>I have been fairly consistent saying 2450 is what I would peg as the upper bound >>>of today's programs... >>> >>>lets see, estimated TPR so far would be roughly 2200+2600+2600 (one loss, >>>rating-400, two draws, generously giving the opponents 2600 ratings). That >>>turns out to be 7400/3 which is 2466. Right in line with my speculation, >>>wouldn't you say? >> >> >> >> This May sound good, but there is only one major problem, You are >>conviently ignoring the results at the WCCC99 Where Fritz5 beat Sokolov along >>with the draws against 2600+ players, I bet if you factor in these number that >>2466 will disappear. Even if you were correct how can you make a elo claim >>based on three games, I am sure you know this is not accurate. COme on Bob Let >>go of the pride and admitt that computers are much better than you originally >>thought. You yourself admitted that Rebel's results so far are very good. > > >(1) you can't cherry pick. IE you can't pick a tournament where fritz does >well and use that, and ignore one where it gets torn up. I am using Rebel as >a reference point, because I am just taking _every_ game in Ed's GM challenge, >and not counting others. > >Count them if you want, of course... but if you pick the right events, you >can prove anything you want... It's been done before... > >(2) you can use 3 games to produce a 'performance rating'. That is what it is >all about. And yes, I think 2466 is a very good result for Rebel. It is a bit >better than I expected... and is no disgrace at all. I thought that your intent was to pick all of the 40/2 games starting with the first game of the Rebel GM challenge. This would then include the 3 games Rebel has played so far, along with the 5 games at Paderborn. Dave
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