Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:08:58 08/27/99
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On August 27, 1999 at 14:42:43, James Robertson wrote: >On August 27, 1999 at 11:32:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 27, 1999 at 01:28:41, Dave Gomboc wrote: >> >>>On August 27, 1999 at 00:09:35, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On August 26, 1999 at 21:34:13, odell hall wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 14:01:59, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 12:55:01, odell hall wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 10:36:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 08:41:37, odell hall wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 07:32:06, Claudio A. Amorim wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On August 26, 1999 at 02:21:39, odell hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested in how crafty would do against Grandmaster Atopkian do >>>>>>>>>>>a Search Crafty Vagr on icc. After these Games were played I asked Akopian What >>>>>>>>>>>happened surprised that he lost. He said he was experimenting with some opening. >>>>>>>>>>>However he admitted that he could not beat crafty and claimed this fact as the >>>>>>>>>>>reason he played it so few games. Ofcourse these were all blitz games. Akopian >>>>>>>>>>>said that playing the computers at 40/2 would not be interesting for him because >>>>>>>>>>>they would be no challenge. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I think Akopian is plain wrong on this matter. Playing the best programs at 40/2 >>>>>>>>>>is already a challenge even to the very best human players in the world, and >>>>>>>>>>Akopian is hardly in that league (Kasparov, Anand, Kramminik, etc., etc.). FIDE >>>>>>>>>>Championship, these days, is a display of physical will and blitz wizardy. It >>>>>>>>>>has little to do with top level chess. >>>>>>>>>>I'd love to see a tournament involving the greatest human and the better >>>>>>>>>>computers, round robin, $500.000 to 1st place. Matters should be more clear, >>>>>>>>>>them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Cláudio. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While I do believe programs are low GM Strength I don't think any program out >>>>>>>>>there could defeat a 2600 Grandmaster like akopian at 40/2 in a match. I don't >>>>>>>>>think one has to be garry kasparov , or annand to beat the best micros at long >>>>>>>>>time controls. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You had better be careful... you are beginning to sound a lot like me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No Bob I have never maintained that Computers are 2600 strength. I do believe >>>>>>>they are between 2500-2540, ofcourse this is a long way from where you stand, I >>>>>>>believe you said they are around the low 2400's. In view of all the recent 40/2 >>>>>>>games I doubt you still have such a low opionion of programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I have been fairly consistent saying 2450 is what I would peg as the upper bound >>>>>>of today's programs... >>>>>> >>>>>>lets see, estimated TPR so far would be roughly 2200+2600+2600 (one loss, >>>>>>rating-400, two draws, generously giving the opponents 2600 ratings). That >>>>>>turns out to be 7400/3 which is 2466. Right in line with my speculation, >>>>>>wouldn't you say? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This May sound good, but there is only one major problem, You are >>>>>conviently ignoring the results at the WCCC99 Where Fritz5 beat Sokolov along >>>>>with the draws against 2600+ players, I bet if you factor in these number that >>>>>2466 will disappear. Even if you were correct how can you make a elo claim >>>>>based on three games, I am sure you know this is not accurate. COme on Bob Let >>>>>go of the pride and admitt that computers are much better than you originally >>>>>thought. You yourself admitted that Rebel's results so far are very good. >>>> >>>> >>>>(1) you can't cherry pick. IE you can't pick a tournament where fritz does >>>>well and use that, and ignore one where it gets torn up. I am using Rebel as >>>>a reference point, because I am just taking _every_ game in Ed's GM challenge, >>>>and not counting others. >>>> >>>>Count them if you want, of course... but if you pick the right events, you >>>>can prove anything you want... It's been done before... >>>> >>>>(2) you can use 3 games to produce a 'performance rating'. That is what it is >>>>all about. And yes, I think 2466 is a very good result for Rebel. It is a bit >>>>better than I expected... and is no disgrace at all. >>> >>>I thought that your intent was to pick all of the 40/2 games starting with the >>>first game of the Rebel GM challenge. This would then include the 3 games Rebel >>>has played so far, along with the 5 games at Paderborn. >>> >>>Dave >> >> >>I'm not sure what you mean "5 games at paderborn"??? >> >>Bob > >5 games from the GM - top 5 finishers at the WCCC match. > >Jmaes I thought those were not the usual 40/2, 20/1 type time control?
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