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Subject: Re: Results from the WT-5 tournament

Author: pete

Date: 14:49:43 08/28/99

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On August 28, 1999 at 16:50:33, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>On August 28, 1999 at 16:08:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On August 28, 1999 at 11:21:22, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>Hello Robert,
>
>>You do know that 'voyager' is a dead copy of crafty, right?  With just the
>>key character constants converted to German.  This was revealed several months
>>ago and there was _zero_ doubt as I went thru the executable carefully and
>>posted a lot of what I found, just to make it clear ...
>
>I writing over the big tournament and you writing about Voyager and not with
>this tourament.
>
>I writing about the ponder problem and I hope here I become an answere from
>Robert and you writing about Voyager !
>
>That is not correct from you, also when this Prof. Dr. Robert Hyatt writing.
>I can not understand your message and I must say that this is not an attack
>against Dr. Gabriele Müller (the first lady in the chess programming) this is an
>attack against my person.
>
>When I play more than 300 games with Voyager and see the games then I can not
>say Voyager is an Crafty.
>
>Is this what you will ?
>New programs and say it is an Crafty ?
>
>See the results from Voyager in WT-5 and from Crafty. Crafty win against Gromit
>with 10,5 : 1,5, Voyager lose against Gromit with 5,0 : 7,0. Or see the games
>from the ELO Ranglist from Kai Skibbe, Christian Koch and me.
>
>You can play 500 Voyager games and search moves with your Crafty versions. You
>can dowload 500 Voyager games !
>
>I have the agreement from Gabi that I can all games put on the new Winboard
>homepage. What is your problem Robert ! When the programmer looked in the source
>code from crafty is this OK, or ?
>
>The car is not invent 100x, or ?
>
>You are a great programmer (Cray Blitz, Crafty) and you are make many years
>programs for all people. You give information for all people and you help all
>people and I like your entrys and your program, but this attack is not good
>Robert, not good for all people that can reading this message, it is an private
>attack and it is better you writing privat an eMail to Gabriele Müller and I
>think the problem is not an problem.
>
>It is not fair what you say about Voyager and it is not fair that you this say
>on my entry about the WT-5 tournament.
>
>OK Robert, you can thinking that all programs with play an good chess are
>Crafty`s so we play with 13 Crafty´s and Nimzo and Zarkov is an Crafty or is
>Crafty an GnuChess or is Crafty an Nimzo.
>
>Crafty is Crafty and Voyager is Voyager and you can looking 500 games with
>Voyager and Robert I have debug files from games Voyager - Crafty !!! Will you
>looking in this debug files or will you say Voyager is Crafty and basta !
>
>My entry and an antother Voyager diskussion and this from Prof. Dr. Robert Hyatt
>! That is not good for computerchess and amateur engines !
>
>I hope you can understand what i will say in my bad english and I hope you can
>understand that Dr. Gabriele Müller programming an good chess programm.
>
>And I hope you writing over the ponder problem when I send LOG Files from
>Crafty. I see not problems in matches on one PC without ponder !
>
>Greetings
>Frank
>
>
>This is my last entry about Voyager, when you will writing about Voyager and
>think this is not correct what Gabrielle Müller make then send Gabriele Müller
>an eMail, Gabi is an nice person and you can with Gabi private make an
>discussion.


Dear Frank ,

I read the proof Bob Hyatt has given in a long post here and it seemed to be
extremely convincing . Did you read it too ?

Peter Berger



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