Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:56:35 08/28/99
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On August 28, 1999 at 16:50:33, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >On August 28, 1999 at 16:08:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 28, 1999 at 11:21:22, Frank Quisinsky wrote: > >Hello Robert, > >>You do know that 'voyager' is a dead copy of crafty, right? With just the >>key character constants converted to German. This was revealed several months >>ago and there was _zero_ doubt as I went thru the executable carefully and >>posted a lot of what I found, just to make it clear ... > >I writing over the big tournament and you writing about Voyager and not with >this tourament. > >I writing about the ponder problem and I hope here I become an answere from >Robert and you writing about Voyager ! > >That is not correct from you, also when this Prof. Dr. Robert Hyatt writing. >I can not understand your message and I must say that this is not an attack >against Dr. Gabriele Müller (the first lady in the chess programming) this is an >attack against my person. > >When I play more than 300 games with Voyager and see the games then I can not >say Voyager is an Crafty. > >Is this what you will ? Voyager is _absolutely_ crafty unless it has been changed in the past 6 months. Send me a copy of the executable you are using and I can tell you in 1 hour whether it is crafty or not. The last time this came up it was absolutely verified... I took the executable apart and looked at the character constants, the bitboard masks, the bitboard patterns, the procedure names, global variable names... filenames, contents of the files the program produces... it was crafty... >New programs and say it is an Crafty ? > >See the results from Voyager in WT-5 and from Crafty. Crafty win against Gromit >with 10,5 : 1,5, Voyager lose against Gromit with 5,0 : 7,0. Or see the games >from the ELO Ranglist from Kai Skibbe, Christian Koch and me. > >You can play 500 Voyager games and search moves with your Crafty versions. You >can dowload 500 Voyager games ! I can change one line of crafty and make it play differently. This isn't the point. As I said, send me the executable, and I can resolve this quickly. > >I have the agreement from Gabi that I can all games put on the new Winboard >homepage. What is your problem Robert ! When the programmer looked in the source >code from crafty is this OK, or ? the programmer didn't 'look at the source code'. the programmer copied 100% of the source code, made language conversions from English to German, and then a few small tweaks to the search and eval... that is _not_ a new program. It is a modified crafty. > >The car is not invent 100x, or ? > >You are a great programmer (Cray Blitz, Crafty) and you are make many years >programs for all people. You give information for all people and you help all >people and I like your entrys and your program, but this attack is not good >Robert, not good for all people that can reading this message, it is an private >attack and it is better you writing privat an eMail to Gabriele Müller and I >think the problem is not an problem. It wasn't an 'attack'. It was a simple statement of _fact_. As I said, this became 'news' many months ago. I doubt anyone has forgotten. > >It is not fair what you say about Voyager and it is not fair that you this say >on my entry about the WT-5 tournament. Fair wasn't the issue. "truth" was.... and what I said was true 6 months ago. I doubt a new strong program has been written since that 'copy' was exposed to everyone... > >OK Robert, you can thinking that all programs with play an good chess are >Crafty`s so we play with 13 Crafty´s and Nimzo and Zarkov is an Crafty or is >Crafty an GnuChess or is Crafty an Nimzo. Nope. I don't "think" I "prove". Send the executable. There are easy tests to apply to make the point or show I am wrong... > >Crafty is Crafty and Voyager is Voyager and you can looking 500 games with >Voyager and Robert I have debug files from games Voyager - Crafty !!! Will you >looking in this debug files or will you say Voyager is Crafty and basta ! > >My entry and an antother Voyager diskussion and this from Prof. Dr. Robert Hyatt >! That is not good for computerchess and amateur engines ! > >I hope you can understand what i will say in my bad english and I hope you can >understand that Dr. Gabriele Müller programming an good chess programm. I understand that he knows how to copy an existing chess program. I don't know anything else about him. I do know that his 'voyager' program was absolutely crafty. Didn't even change the procedure names or anything else. > >And I hope you writing over the ponder problem when I send LOG Files from >Crafty. I see not problems in matches on one PC without ponder ! I have never seen an atomic bomb explode. But I trust the physicists that design them when they say they make big boom noises... > >Greetings >Frank > > >This is my last entry about Voyager, when you will writing about Voyager and >think this is not correct what Gabrielle Müller make then send Gabriele Müller >an eMail, Gabi is an nice person and you can with Gabi private make an >discussion. No need. He knows what he did...
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