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Subject: Re: Hiarcs and pawns revisited

Author: Howard Exner

Date: 21:30:24 08/30/99

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On August 30, 1999 at 19:41:54, Ralf Elvsén wrote:

>Some while ago I posted a position where I was
>impressed by Hiarcs accurate evaluation in a pawn ending:
>
>6k1/1p4p1/p7/2Ppp3/1P6/P4KP1/5P1P/8 b - - 0 49
>
>The fact that white can create passed pawns on
>both sides of the board makes the victory clear,
>and Hiarcs gave an evaluation of about +2. Note however
>that white is a pawn up.
>
>Not being entirely convinced about the
>impeccabilty of its evaluation, I decided to test
>some similar "clean" positions.
>
>First position:
>
>4k3/p6p/8/4p3/3p4/3K4/PP4PP/8 b - - 0 1
>
>This is (from a human point of view) an "identical" position but
>with material equality. A win for white. Here Hiarcs thinks black
>is slightly better!
>
>Second position:
>
>4k3/p6p/8/3p4/2p5/2K5/P4PPP/8 b - - 0 1
>
>Here one pawn is moved from one side of the board to the other
>(compared to the previous position) and that makes it a clear draw,
>but Hiarcs thinks white has an advantage, although not decisive.
>So Hiarcs thinks position 2 is better for white than position 1,
>when in fact it is worse.
>
>I am now inclined to believe (or rather convinced...)
>that Hiarcs correct score in the position from my
>original post was due to the fact that white was a pawn up in a pawn ending,
>(which is heavily weighted, understandably) and not from some accurate
>evaluation of the pawn structure...
>
>Don't investigate the chess "knowledge" of your favourite chess software,
>your illusions can be shattered :)
>
>Ralf
>
>PS: I always screw things up when I post positions and other stuff.
>Hope I got it right this time...

6k1/1p4p1/p7/2Ppp3/1P6/P4KP1/7P/8 b

Here is your original position minus the white pawn on f2,
so now material is equal. Like Hiarcs' eval of the original
Rebel 10 also gives a big plus for white. But now in this equal material
position which remains a very simple win for white, Rebel 10 thinks black is
much better. It seems that only deep calculation will aid computers here
while humans see this at a glance.



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