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Subject: Re: two simple endings, too hard for computers?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:18:32 08/31/99

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On August 31, 1999 at 10:02:19, Gerrit Reubold wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Here are two endgame positions which are easy draws (for humans), however, my
>program (Bringer) lost both. Does your programs play better moves? how long do
>they take to see the draw?
>
>Position from Bringer 1.4 - Crafty 16.11, after 155. ... Bb5
>
>8/8/2k5/1bp5/4p2p/2K1P2P/4B1P1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>How long does your program take to avoid the losing 156. Bc4?? Instead,
>sacrificing the g2 pawn with Bg4 and keeping the king on c3 should be an easy
>draw. (Bringer would need 6 min on a PII 300 to avoid Bc4 :-( )
>
>


Crafty seens that Bc4 loses in about 30 seconds on my PII/300 notebook,
after getting to depth=18.  Score goes from -1.58 to -5.21 at that depth.
The quad xeon sees this in 4 seconds however...




>Position from Crafty 16.11 - Bringer 1.4
>
> - - 0 1
>
>43. ... g5 would be an easy draw, does any program see this move (BTW, Bringer
>played Kg6 and h5 and lost)
>


I'll have to try this one on the xeon, but it is busy.  It has all the 3 vs 2
endings and may be able to search this to the end.
>
>The second position leads to the question: how should we evaluate positions like
>this:
>8/2k5/2n5/8/8/2BN4/2K5/8 w - - 0 1
>Don't tell me "5 pieces EGTBs", because there may be another black pawn, which
>wouldn't change a thing.
>
>
>Greetings,
>Gerrit



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