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Subject: Re: Result (with ponder play Crafty in this game not better)

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 02:25:57 09/01/99

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On September 01, 1999 at 04:44:38, Harald Faber wrote:

>On August 31, 1999 at 19:09:50, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>
>>Hello Robert,
>>
>>Result:
>>~~~~~~~
>>
>>Time from Zarkov (WinBoard debug file)
>>
>>The game Zarkov - Crafty
>>See post from yesterday, PGN and log file from Crafty !
>>
>>AMD K6-3 450 MHz, WinBoard 4.0.3, Ponder = OFF,
>>Crafty 24/8 MB Hash, Zarkov 8 MB Hash
>>40 moves in 40 minutes !
>>Game from WT-5 tournament !
>>
>>I replay the game (Crafty with ponder = on)
>>40 moves in 40 minutes !
>>
>>Result:
>>
>>2 other moves !
>
>
>*1* single different move can change the whole game and result!
>
>
>>Of course not enough analyses, but I make
>>this analyses with many programs and I can
>>not see that ponder is 50-100 ELO !
>>
>>Not more than 20-40 ELO (ponder = off) and
>>10 ELO for an other time manangment !
>>
>>Kind regards
>>Frank
>
>Really hard to say.
>1 different move cannot change a win into a double win. :-)
>It even can change it to a draw or loss like it can change a draw to loss or win
>or a loss into a draw or a win.
>Very time extensive to find that out.
>And the negative effect (played move X without ponder which is much better than
>move Y with ponder) is certainly not because of ponder but because of search
>depth+eval or didn't get Crafty to ply+n with ponder?
>
>BTW your English is really....improvable. ;-)

I think, an good message in an bad english is better than an bad message in an
good english !

I can make the experiment with games from the WinBoard tournament and I found
not an other result !

Kind Regards
Frank



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