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Subject: Re: Result (with ponder play Crafty in this game not better)

Author: Harald Faber

Date: 06:16:32 09/01/99

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On September 01, 1999 at 05:25:57, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>On September 01, 1999 at 04:44:38, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>On August 31, 1999 at 19:09:50, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Robert,
>>>
>>>Result:
>>>~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>Time from Zarkov (WinBoard debug file)
>>>
>>>The game Zarkov - Crafty
>>>See post from yesterday, PGN and log file from Crafty !
>>>
>>>AMD K6-3 450 MHz, WinBoard 4.0.3, Ponder = OFF,
>>>Crafty 24/8 MB Hash, Zarkov 8 MB Hash
>>>40 moves in 40 minutes !
>>>Game from WT-5 tournament !
>>>
>>>I replay the game (Crafty with ponder = on)
>>>40 moves in 40 minutes !
>>>
>>>Result:
>>>
>>>2 other moves !
>>
>>
>>*1* single different move can change the whole game and result!
>>
>>
>>>Of course not enough analyses, but I make
>>>this analyses with many programs and I can
>>>not see that ponder is 50-100 ELO !
>>>
>>>Not more than 20-40 ELO (ponder = off) and
>>>10 ELO for an other time manangment !
>>>
>>>Kind regards
>>>Frank
>>
>>Really hard to say.
>>1 different move cannot change a win into a double win. :-)
>>It even can change it to a draw or loss like it can change a draw to loss or win
>>or a loss into a draw or a win.
>>Very time extensive to find that out.
>>And the negative effect (played move X without ponder which is much better than
>>move Y with ponder) is certainly not because of ponder but because of search
>>depth+eval or didn't get Crafty to ply+n with ponder?
>>
>>BTW your English is really....improvable. ;-)
>
>I think, an good message in an bad english is better than an bad message in an
>good english !

Sometimes it leads to misunderstandings.

>I can make the experiment with games from the WinBoard tournament and I found
>not an other result !
>
>Kind Regards
>Frank

How many games did you replay on 2 machines?



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