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Subject: Re: CSTal 2.03 vs. ssdf-elo program 2570

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:45:30 09/01/99

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On September 01, 1999 at 03:11:31, Shep wrote:

>On August 31, 1999 at 12:28:19, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>
>>On August 31, 1999 at 10:33:09, Shep wrote:
>>
>>>>Hiarcs7.32 and IIRC The King. I'll look it up and send the games to you if you
>>>>want.
>>
>>IIRC ?
>>
>>>Occasionally, CSTal produces very good games against Hiarcs even without
>>>Thorsten's special style - tomorrow I'll post the CST-Hiarcs game from SC 99
>>>which will finish today (have to play some more moves before adjudicating it).
>>>Includes a nice pawn sacrifice for a strong attack - and this time, the attack
>>>did not just die and leave CST losing. :)
>>>
>>>---
>>>Shep
>>
>>CSTal has no problem with hiarcs in 40/120.
>>it is the same reason it wins against nimzo.
>>both have king-safety problems.
>
>I wouldn't call drawing a "won" game 'no problem'. :)
>In fact, CSTal only drawed the match after being up to +7 (Hiarcs -2,6)...
>It was a match similar to the first (?) Kaspy-DB game where both sides had
>simultaneous mate threats.
>Will post it soon (was too late yesterday).
>
>---
>Shep


+7 is not unusual... and it doesn't mean 'won' in this context. I have played
CSTal a _bunch_ of games on ICC and FICS, and see these big evals all the
time... not uncommon is +3.5 for CST, +.2 for Crafty... or something similar.

I have seen a couple of versions that were less speculative and they seemed to
play stronger.  When you go too far with this +7 stuff you end up +10
positional, -3 material, and that can be fatal.  At least when playing a fast
searcher...



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