Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 13:53:02 09/01/99
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On September 01, 1999 at 16:45:39, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>pah - than the games are nonsense ! you do not test the programs,
>you test something different.
>
>>==> EQUAL CONDITIONS!
?????
??? a ) drives a trabbi
b ) drives a porsche
you want equal conditions !
you test the velocity of the porsche and the trabbi
by let them drive backwards between 5 and 10 km/h.
thats what you test !
you will never find out why the porsche is faster and better.
because you test 3 minutes exactly played in an email game
without pb.
you test a and b driving backwards !!
>>Against Nimzo it was 2.02 or 2.03, the updates went very quick, against Hiarcs
>>it is 2.50.
i will comment to the nimzo games later...
>>Let me guess: 2.50 is BUGGY and you have a better style for 2.02/2.03 (like you
>>always have/had) which would play better... :-)
first: 2.5 IS buggy.
so you tested a buggy version against hiarcs !!
second: you are not allowed to use it !
this version is (see licence agreement) especially for programmers !
it is a DEMO version !!
YOu did exactly what you should not do. testing version 2.5 is senseless
because this version was not designed to PLAY tournament games
but instead to DEMONSTRATE multi-engine-user-interface.
Thats the shallow way YOU handle opinions/programs.
To the hiarcs games:
[Event "Chessnet"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "CSTal2"]
[Black "Hiarcs7.32"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C98"]
[PlyCount "57"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1
b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Na5 11. Bc2 c5 12. Nbd2 Qc7 13. d5 Bc8
14. a4 {My program will never play a4 in all main-lines it has for this move. It
prefers
b4} 14... Bd7 15. axb5 axb5 16. b3 Nb7 17. Bb2 Rfb8 18. Qe2 Nh5 19.
g3 Nf6 20. Bd3 {-0.02} 20... c4 21. bxc4 bxc4 22. Rxa8 {-0.15} 22... Rxa8 23.
Bb1 {this move is never in the main-lines, my program
plays Nxc4 or Bc2, Bxc4 but NEVER Bb1. Nxc4/Bc2 etc. are NORMAL moves,
Bb1 is not reproducable and not a good move.} 23... Bxh3 24. Qxc4 {-1.05} 24...
Nc5
25. Ng5 {My program changes to normal move Bc2 after a few seconds. The move
YOUR program
plays looks strange.} 25... Ra4 26.
Qe2 26... Bg4 27. Qb5 27... Ra7 28. Nc4 {never played by my program} 28... Rb7
29.
Qa5 {a bad opening other programs would not have played different and some
strange
moves i cannot reproduce} 0-1
[Event "Chessnet"]
[Site "Chessnet"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Hiarcs7.32"]
[Black "CStal2"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A01"]
[PlyCount "74"]
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 d5 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. Nf3 f6 6. c4 a6 7. cxd5 axb5 8. dxc6
bxc6 9. Qc2 Ne7 10. Nc3 O-O 11. O-O Qe8 12. a4 Bg4 {cannot reproduce Bg4, my
program wants to play Nd5 out of book, opening-book setting on STRENGTH,
how was your setting? Bg4 throws my version out of its own book-line !! strange}
13. axb5 cxb5 14. Rxa8 Qxa8 15. Ne4 Bb4 16. Rc1 Rd8 17. Nh4 c5 18. Bc3 Qd5 19.
Bxb4 cxb4
20. Qc5 Qxc5 21. Rxc5 Be2 22. Rc7 Kf8 23. Rb7 Rc8 24. f4 exf4 25. exf4 Bd3 26.
Ng3 Rc1+
27. Kf2 Rb1 28. Nh5 Be4 29. Rd7 Rxb3 30. Nxg7 Rd3 31. Ne6+ Kf7 32. Rxd3 Bxd3 33.
Nc5
Bc2 34. Ke2 b3 35. Nd3 Nd5 36. g3 Ke6 37. Nf3 37... Nb4 {you stop the game at
this
position and wonder if cstal would win or even draw this game. this is
unbelievable
since cstal is in a better position. it only shows that you want to show what
you
have prejudices in beforehand.} *
I would say the game is or would be a draw. I see no reason why cstal should
lose it. maybe - depending on hiarcs - cstal could win. but this is difficult
to say...
but adjudicating HERE looks not very objective.
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