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Subject: Re: ELO Rating Question

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 11:25:02 09/02/99

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On September 01, 1999 at 22:48:49, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 01, 1999 at 14:35:37, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>On September 01, 1999 at 07:58:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On August 31, 1999 at 21:57:12, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>I recently conducted a "Tournament" between Hiarcs 7.32 Fritz 5.32 & Junior 5.0.
>>>> With about 250 games played by each program the results left Hiarcs in first
>>>>place with Fritz in second and Junior in third.  Then I accidently transferred
>>>>20 games of Blitz (5/0) of Hiarcs vs Comet B05 which Hiarcs won
>>>>19.5 - 0.5.  The Strange thing is after adding these 20 games and  recomputing
>>>>the ELO (Fritz GUI does this) Hiarcs fell from 1st place to 3rd place??  Does
>>>>this make sense?  Help!
>>>>Jim Walker
>>>
>>>
>>>It probably uses the rating of the opponent since with just 3 players there is
>>>_no_ way to get any sort of reasonable rating anyway...  It probably considered
>>>comet significantly weaker and had a lower rating for it.  And the TPR rating
>>>then killed the calculations.
>>
>>
>>Hello Bob,
>>The Comet B05 had no rating going in so it is treated the same as others in the
>>beginning.  The only difference is that it had only played 20 games.
>>According to the Fritz manual when I "Create" an ELO start list each player gets
>>the same starting ELO(e.g. 2400) which enables the calculation of a tournament
>>performance rating.  In the next step one puts in this performance value as
>>starting value to create new and more exact performances.  Chessbase claims the
>>algorithm does assume a 2400 average elo of the players in the database and says
>>you have to "gauge" the list to correct for this.  The thing I don't understand
>>is if the assumed average is 2400 to begin with then why would the end result
>>show all 4 programs with an ELO of less than 2400?
>>Thanks,
>>Jim Walker
>
>Sounds like a bug.  :)
>
>Bob

That's what I thought.  I emailed this problem to Chessbase a while back but
they chose to ignore it.
Jim Walker



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