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Subject: Re: Measure of moveorder quality

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:36:42 09/05/99

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On September 05, 1999 at 04:09:58, Pauli Misikangas wrote:

>On September 04, 1999 at 22:15:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>The measurement I do inside crafty is to count the number of positions where I
>>get a fail-high, and then count the number of positions where I get a fail high
>>on the _first_ move I search.  I am generally seeing this average about 94%,
>>which means 94% of the times when I fail high, I fail high on the first move,
>>which is pretty good.
>
>Have you tested what this "first-fails-high" percentage is when searching to
>different depths? In other words, instead of using only one counter for
>fail-highs, use one for each depth. So, if you get a fail-high in a node that
>was searched to depth d, increase counter fail_high_counter[d] and if the move
>was the first one, increase also first_failed_high[d]. What kind of
>first-fails-high percentages (100*first_failed_high[d]/fail_high_counter[d]) do
>you get for each d?
>
>In my understanding, finding a fail-high move quickly is much more important in
>nodes near the root than in leaf nodes. If you don't count fail-highs separately
>for each depth, fail highs in leaf nodes will dominate and hide possible
>weaknesses in move ordering near the root. Do you agree?
>
>If 94% first-fails-high percentage is "pretty good" for a chess program, what
>would you expect the percentage to be for a shogi program that has a good move
>ordering? In shogi, you have average 80 possible moves per turn while in chess
>you have "only" 35.
>
>All the best,
>
>Pauli Misikangas


The only thing I have tested is fail-highs on a per-ply basis...  and not
surprisingly plies near the root get nearly 100% fail highs on the first
move, plies near the end of the search are worse... But even they are not
terribly bad... because to maintain 94% requires that 94% of all fail high
positions fail high on the first move...  and most of the fail high positions
are in the last 1/2 of the tree...



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