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Subject: Re: Kibitzing during GM vs.Comp. games at ICC

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 23:10:49 09/05/99

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On September 05, 1999 at 17:35:31, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On September 05, 1999 at 13:45:45, Andrew Williams wrote:
>
>>On September 05, 1999 at 13:14:43, Peter Hegger wrote:
>>
>>>Hello
>>>I noticed as I've watched the last few GM challenges with Rebel at ICC that
>>>their are lots of people "kibitzing" analysis, comments etc... instead of
>>>"whispering" while the game is in progress. They are always quickly told
>>>"whisper don't kibitz" by the other spectators.
>>>I can see where this would be a problem if the GM had "setkib 1" and could see
>>>lots of juicy analysis from Fritz, Crafty and the gang. But surely if there is
>>>an arbiter present at the site of the GM, he's not going to let the GM set his
>>>kibitz to see all this. So is there really a problem here?
>>>Regards,
>>>Peter
>>
>>You can do "vars gmwhoever" to see what the GM's kib variable is set to.
>>GM Hoffman had kib set to 1, which means he could see everything being
>>kibitzed. Therefore it makes sense to whisper instead of kibitz. In an ideal
>>world, someone would make sure that kib=0 for the GM. But since this wasn't
>>the case, and since it is just as easy to whisper as it is to kibitz, and
>>since it's a bit rude to kibitz on a human's game and since we're all desparate
>>to see this series of games continue, I think it's not unreasonable to ask
>>spectators to use whisper.
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>Andrew
>
>Yes, I can verify that GM hoffman had kib set to 1 and told one of the
>spectators to whisper instead of kibitz, but was ignored and he/she continued to
>kibitz! What is bizarre is many of the spectators go through a lot of trouble to
>determine whether they can kibitz instead of whisper even though there is no
>advantage to kibitz over whispering in that situation. Dumb! If not sure, they
>should just whisper, but they act like the dumb ones are the people who whisper
>when they don't need to. They don't seem to realize that the purpose of kibitz
>over whisper is to be heard by the players TOO. Whisper allows them to be heard
>by everyone but the players which is exactly what they want.

I will ask Andy from ICC to do something to the problem next time. Andy
wasn't present during the Rebel-Hoffman game. If memory serves me well
there was hardly any kibitz during the previous games.

Ed Schroder



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