Author: James T. Walker
Date: 15:09:23 09/06/99
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On September 06, 1999 at 12:00:14, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: >On September 05, 1999 at 15:13:28, blass uri wrote: > >>On September 05, 1999 at 11:17:54, David Beauregard wrote: >> >>>On September 05, 1999 at 09:03:38, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>This is game #4. CSTal-2 is palying on a K6-3-450/256 Meg & Crafty is on a >>>>Pentuim II-333/128 Meg. This type game is the reason some people including >>>>myself like CST-2. Crafty's score was 0.00 expecting Re2 when the bishop hit >>>>g3. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>[Event "40/2"] >>>>[Site "?"] >>>>[Date "1999.09.05"] >>>>[Round "4"] >>>>[White "Crafty 16.15"] >>>>[Black "Chess Tal II"] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 >>>>d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. >>>>Qd3 Bf5 16. Qf1 Rae8 17. Bd2 Rxe1 18. Bxe1 Qh5 19. Nd2 Re8 20. a4 Bh3 21. Qd3 >>>>Bb8 22. Ne4 Bg4 23. Bd2 Be2 24. Qb1 f6 25. Nc5 Bf3 26. axb5 Bxg3 27. fxg3 Re2 >>>>28. h4 Rg2+ 29. Kf1 Rxg3 30. Bxd5+ Bxd5 31. Qd3 Rxd3 32. Nxd3 Qf3+ 33. Ke1 Bc4 >>>>34. Rxa6 Bxd3 35. Ra8+ Kf7 36. Ra7+ Ke6 37. Re7+ Kxe7 38. bxc6 Qe2+ 0-1 >>>> >>>>Jim Walker >>> >>>Jim..i like tal too and I am the operator of talmoves on ICC. But to be fair >>>you should be running the same hardware for both programs. A 450 k3 is a lot >>>faster than a PII 333. >> >>Crafty is leading 2.5:1.5 with the slower hardware so it does not need equal >>hardware. >> >>I think that it is fair to give the weaker player the better hardware and the >>results show that tal is the weaker player. >> >>Uri > >Is it weaker Playing against human opposition as well? Hello Lanny, That's a very hard question to answer. I use CSTal-2 at "Bullet" time controls on ICC and that is CSTal-2 at it's worst. It simply is not good at bullet time controls and I don't think it was intended to be. I know from my experience on ICC that it does better vs humans than vs other computers with similiar ratings. But I think most all computers on ICC can make this claim. The more computers that a computer plays against, the lower it's rating. Many Crafty clones are over rated because their formula restricts them to only playing humans. This is verified by comparing the Crafty's on equal hardware. The one's that do play other computers have lower ratings relative to the mixture of humans/computers. I haven't done a strict study of this but just a quick glance so as usual I could be wrong. My computer account has played only a handful of humans in rated games in the last 3 months so I feel it's rating is much lower than would be possible if I eliminated the computers. But I enjoy watching the computers play vs each other so I don't limit them. Jim Walker
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