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Subject: Re: Question on RootSearch

Author: Alessandro Damiani

Date: 15:20:44 09/08/99

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On September 08, 1999 at 14:30:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 08, 1999 at 13:37:31, William Bryant wrote:
>
>>On September 08, 1999 at 11:20:54, James Robertson wrote:
>>>
>>>I have had a terrible time trying to implement something like this, and finally
>>>gave up. How much does it help Crafty/Screamer? Is it worth it to try to get it
>>>to work?
>>>
>>>James
>>
>>I also had a terrible time until I finally worked out the errors, and there were
>>several.  The problem lies in how to structure the aspiration windows,
>>the researches for fail-high and fail-low, and then adding PVS searching on top
>>of it.
>>
>>Bob and others were a lot of help.
>>
>>My problem now is that my SEE seems to be pruning to much.  On rather quiet
>>lines, it does a great job of getting to the next ply.  On positional issues,
>>it makes the program play much poorer.
>>
>>For Example, on LCT-II the POS part of the suite, the score drops in half,
>>missing several of the answers with the Delta-SEE pruning in place.  It makes up
>>some of this in the tactical middle game portion.
>>
>>When playing the two versions against each other, at short time controls
>>(2s/move), the SEE version clearly dominates.  At longer controls (5-10s/move or
>>greater), the slower more positional version does better.
>>
>>I am operating under the assumption that there is a bug somewhere and that
>>eventually the SEE will give me the speed without sacrificing the positional
>>skill.
>>
>
>
>I have done a lot of testing here, and I don't notice any particular positional
>'drop-off' with SEE on or off, other than the fact that it gets me almost one
>more ply since it reduces the q-search by over 50%.
>
>You might have your 'delta' window too narrow.  Of course, making it too wide
>disables the pruning...  so, like Goldilocks and the three bears, you have to
>get it "just right"...  :)
>
>

What is the 'delta" used for? Thank you.

Alessandro




>
>>It is possible that the positional 'insight' is accidental, finding the right
>>move without knowing why.
>>
>>Any insights in getting you SEE to work would be appreciated.
>>
>>William
>>wbryant@ix.netcom.com



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