Author: odell hall
Date: 15:45:28 09/11/99
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On September 11, 1999 at 17:42:50, walter irvin wrote: >On September 11, 1999 at 17:20:44, odell hall wrote: > >>On September 11, 1999 at 16:23:30, Pete Galati wrote: >> >>>On September 11, 1999 at 16:07:47, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>On September 11, 1999 at 15:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 11, 1999 at 14:05:12, Leon Stancliff wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Robert, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been speculating for a long time on what would take place in a match >>>>>>between the top ten computer programs running on easily available machines and >>>>>>the top ten chess players in the USA. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been playing my Hiarcs 7 program on a Macintosh G3 at 275 Mhz. It plays >>>>>>almost even with both Data and Singacrafty on ICC. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have assembled the following list of computer programs from such sources as >>>>>>the SSDF list and the Selective Search list. In your opinion, would Data, >>>>>>Singacrafty or Crafty deserve a position in this list? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hiarcs 7.32 >>>>>> >>>>>> Fritz 5.32 >>>>>> >>>>>> Chessmaster 6000 >>>>>> >>>>>> Nimzo 99 >>>>>> >>>>>> Chess Tiger 11.8.2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Junior 5 >>>>>> >>>>>> Rebel 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> Shredder 3 >>>>>> >>>>>> Genius 5 >>>>>> >>>>>> MChess Pro 7 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's assume that each is running at about 550 Mhz on a single CPU. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> MChess Pro 7 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I wouldn't venture a guess. If you put crafty on a quad xeon 550, it can beat >>>>>_any_ of those programs. On equal hardware I really don't know as I don't play >>>>>on 'equal' hardware. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh yes!, i would love to see the results of crafty verses the top programs on >>>>equal hardware, It would be interesting to see how it would measure up. >>> >>>Consider that putting Crafty on equal hardware takes away one of it's valuable >>>tools, probably not fair to the nature of Crafty. >>> >>>Pete >> >> Well, I would think that if the purpose of pitting one program against another >>is to see which program is written best, and has the best playing strength, then >>equal hardware is required, otherwise the test is not valid > >you are right if you are talking engine vs engine ,but somewhere you got to take >into consideration the fact that crafty can gain from speedup of multi >processors ,so if your equal hardware is quad xeon then , they have equal >hardware .the programmers should make there programs run on more than 1 >processor .they should also use egtb,open book ect ect its part of the game .if >you dont put it in , your not going to be the best .crafty has everything a >program should have ,plus even though he is not getting paid better support >,than most other programs .i think it is a shame that the other programs dont >use smp . >also if you want to be absolute and realy get down to engine strength then there >should be equal hardware no oppening books no egtb , straight engine power.but i >think the open book ,egtb ,smp,learn,ect are all part of what makes up a >programs ELO . yes i was referring to engine vs engine, and assumed that is what the original poster was referring to also.
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