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Subject: Re: PREDICTION: GM's can draw 50% of games or more at 5 minutes vs comps if?

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 17:01:23 09/13/99

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On September 13, 1999 at 19:50:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 13, 1999 at 19:41:14, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:08:22, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>
>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:06:01, Charles Unruh wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>GM's can draw 50% of games or more at 5 minutes vs comps if that is their goal
>>>>i.e to draw. I say this because by taking said strategy i have been able to draw
>>>>about 15-20% of my games against comps and i'm just recently an expert.
>>>>Anti-computer play really pays the bills when doing this.  Most progs seem to
>>>>want draws anyway, especially Genius.  Now this is a bit contrary to how one
>>>>should play to get a draw vs humans, but we aren't talking about humans here :).
>>>
>>>I would be happy to take you up on this.  Please email me if you want to arrange
>>>a time, and we can do this on ICC.
>>>
>>>Some GM's can do OK at 5 0, but there are a lot who will lose every game of a
>>>ten-game match, I think.
>>>
>>>bruce
>>
>>I've had similar experiences on ICC. I seem to be able to score more than my
>>fair share of draws against the computer programs playing there. If I try to win
>>I get "embarassed". But when I play to draw, the games I've been successful (5 3
>>blitz unrated) at have followed 1 of 2 patterns:
>>
>>1) One of the crafty clones has a penchant for unsound gambits (Englund gambit
>>with f7-f6). I play solidly with a caro pawn structure and exchange down to an
>>ending, which I draw.
>>2) I play an exchange sac, which computer programs do not cope with as well as
>>they should. They don't understand the importance of activating their rook. One
>>game I almost won, but I screwed up and allowed counterplay and had to force a
>>draw.
>>
>>I'm 2411 on ICC. My best score in one day was 2 draws out of 4 games if I
>>remember correctly. I feel pretty sure these programs are easier to draw than
>>GMs.
>
>
>I'm with Bruce here.  at 5 0 draws are probably hopeless.  with an increment,
>the chances go up...  but if you are expecting your opponent to play a bogus
>opening and then draw it, look out.  Not _all_ clones (and certainly not the
>"real mccoy") play gambits...  except for those that are reasonably sound, like
>the Evans, etc...
>
>I'd be happy to let you try your luck with 'crafty' on ICC or FICS if you want,
>as it is always interesting to see if I have problems I don't know of.  But you
>probably want to talk to IM Kim Commons or Brian Hartman, first.  Kim
>particularly plays for Draws vs Crafty and he is not real successful at doing
>so at blitz time controls...

Type "search slo-mo blackdragon" at ICC. I score +1 -2 =1. I failed to remember
I had won a game when I wrote my previous post. If you go over the games, you
will see how effective my solid approach is and how unlucky I was that I did not
do better! I will try to figure out the names of some of the other comps I've
played. One was a CSTAL account, but I can't remmeber the name of the handle. I
thought all the games I played were 5 3, but I was mistaken. I've played faster
time limits, apparently.



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