Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 01:29:43 09/14/99
Go up one level in this thread
On September 13, 1999 at 22:11:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On September 13, 1999 at 20:01:23, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On September 13, 1999 at 19:50:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:41:14, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>> >>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:08:22, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:06:01, Charles Unruh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>GM's can draw 50% of games or more at 5 minutes vs comps if that is their goal >>>>>>i.e to draw. I say this because by taking said strategy i have been able to draw >>>>>>about 15-20% of my games against comps and i'm just recently an expert. >>>>>>Anti-computer play really pays the bills when doing this. Most progs seem to >>>>>>want draws anyway, especially Genius. Now this is a bit contrary to how one >>>>>>should play to get a draw vs humans, but we aren't talking about humans here :). >>>>> >>>>>I would be happy to take you up on this. Please email me if you want to arrange >>>>>a time, and we can do this on ICC. >>>>> >>>>>Some GM's can do OK at 5 0, but there are a lot who will lose every game of a >>>>>ten-game match, I think. >>>>> >>>>>bruce >>>> >>>>I've had similar experiences on ICC. I seem to be able to score more than my >>>>fair share of draws against the computer programs playing there. If I try to win >>>>I get "embarassed". But when I play to draw, the games I've been successful (5 3 >>>>blitz unrated) at have followed 1 of 2 patterns: >>>> >>>>1) One of the crafty clones has a penchant for unsound gambits (Englund gambit >>>>with f7-f6). I play solidly with a caro pawn structure and exchange down to an >>>>ending, which I draw. >>>>2) I play an exchange sac, which computer programs do not cope with as well as >>>>they should. They don't understand the importance of activating their rook. One >>>>game I almost won, but I screwed up and allowed counterplay and had to force a >>>>draw. >>>> >>>>I'm 2411 on ICC. My best score in one day was 2 draws out of 4 games if I >>>>remember correctly. I feel pretty sure these programs are easier to draw than >>>>GMs. >>> >>> >>>I'm with Bruce here. at 5 0 draws are probably hopeless. with an increment, >>>the chances go up... but if you are expecting your opponent to play a bogus >>>opening and then draw it, look out. Not _all_ clones (and certainly not the >>>"real mccoy") play gambits... except for those that are reasonably sound, like >>>the Evans, etc... >>> >>>I'd be happy to let you try your luck with 'crafty' on ICC or FICS if you want, >>>as it is always interesting to see if I have problems I don't know of. But you >>>probably want to talk to IM Kim Commons or Brian Hartman, first. Kim >>>particularly plays for Draws vs Crafty and he is not real successful at doing >>>so at blitz time controls... >> >>Type "search slo-mo blackdragon" at ICC. I score +1 -2 =1. I failed to remember >>I had won a game when I wrote my previous post. If you go over the games, you >>will see how effective my solid approach is and how unlucky I was that I did not >>do better! I will try to figure out the names of some of the other comps I've >>played. One was a CSTAL account, but I can't remmeber the name of the handle. I >>thought all the games I played were 5 3, but I was mistaken. I've played faster >>time limits, apparently. > > >As I said, 'blackdragon' is unknown. It is an old version on slow hardware. >If you'd like to try the 'real mccoy' for a match, unrated, let me know. It can >be set up easily... > >If you aren't an IM, your chances of winning a blitz game are essentially zero. >At least a real crafty, on real hardware, with reasonable book, and not >intentionally weakened... It is _very_ difficult for IM players to beat it, >whether the game is standard where they have their best chances, or blitz where >it just doesn't lose many games vs GM players, and hardly any any vs IM >players... > >But it is an easy hypothesis to test if you'd like... What was it about my post that made you think it was a personal challenge to your program crafty? I made a GENERAL statement about programs in GENERAL and shown that it was not just hot air with a specific example versus blackdragon (over 2700 on ICC). I've proven I'm not just making it up. Not difficult to do as my claim was not so extravagant. I claimed I could draw more than my fair share of games and provided some corroboration. I don't have to do anymore than that. I don't have any illusions about scoring well against your quad xeon crafty. If it will cheer you up, I'm +0 -5 =0 versus eggsalad (1 cpu), but those were 5 0 games. The bulk of the games I managed to draw were 5 3 as I remember, which I haven't been able to locate yet. Playing chess programs without an increment is really tough, no doubt about it.
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.