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Subject: Re: PREDICTION: GM's can draw 50% of games or more at 5 minutes vs comps if?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:38:10 09/14/99

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On September 14, 1999 at 11:41:02, Ralf Elvsén wrote:

>On September 14, 1999 at 09:54:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>
>>But I am always interested in such challenges, because I have been working on
>>this problem for a couple of years now, trying to stop the 'draw seekers' from
>>having success.  I've done pretty well at it too, but am always interested in
>>being shown where I have not done so well...
>>
>
>Just out of curiosity... :)
>
>What winning percentage would Crafty (or any competent program)
>get against a 1700-rated player in 40/2h ? To be more specific,
>what is the mamximum number of draws a "draw seeker" of that calibre
>can get? 1 out of 2? 1/5? 1/20?
>
>I would be happy with just an educated guess, preferably not only
>for your monster machine but also for a standard PC. I have a
>suspicion some people are greatly overestimating the programs abilities
>to create won positions...
>
>Regards, Ralf

If you are 400 rating points worse than crafty, you expect to score about 1
point out of every 16.  Which could be 2 draws or 1 win.  A 1700 player, if I
had to guess, is at least 600 points worse, which would mean 1 win of every 64
games.  Or two draws.  Note that this is a rough estimate of 200 points meaning
a 1-3 result, which is close but not exact.

The last such challenge was in this time frame... ie long game I wouldn't
venture to recall if it was 40/2ish or 30/1ish or something close) and we went
over 50 games with no draws or losses.

I don't see where any modern computer would be much weaker than mine, as with
PIII/600's and 650's running, they are not a whole lot slower than a quad xeon,
so I'd think this would hold up on normal hardware as well.

Best bet is to simply test it, although 50+ games takes a while.  The test we
did was about 1-2 games per night, and we didn't play every night...



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