Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:42:46 09/14/99
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On September 14, 1999 at 14:27:19, odell hall wrote: >On September 14, 1999 at 10:10:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On September 14, 1999 at 01:45:21, odell hall wrote: >> >>>On September 13, 1999 at 22:11:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On September 13, 1999 at 20:01:23, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:50:54, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:41:14, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:08:22, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On September 13, 1999 at 19:06:01, Charles Unruh wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>GM's can draw 50% of games or more at 5 minutes vs comps if that is their goal >>>>>>>>>i.e to draw. I say this because by taking said strategy i have been able to draw >>>>>>>>>about 15-20% of my games against comps and i'm just recently an expert. >>>>>>>>>Anti-computer play really pays the bills when doing this. Most progs seem to >>>>>>>>>want draws anyway, especially Genius. Now this is a bit contrary to how one >>>>>>>>>should play to get a draw vs humans, but we aren't talking about humans here :). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I would be happy to take you up on this. Please email me if you want to arrange >>>>>>>>a time, and we can do this on ICC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some GM's can do OK at 5 0, but there are a lot who will lose every game of a >>>>>>>>ten-game match, I think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>bruce >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I've had similar experiences on ICC. I seem to be able to score more than my >>>>>>>fair share of draws against the computer programs playing there. If I try to win >>>>>>>I get "embarassed". But when I play to draw, the games I've been successful (5 3 >>>>>>>blitz unrated) at have followed 1 of 2 patterns: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1) One of the crafty clones has a penchant for unsound gambits (Englund gambit >>>>>>>with f7-f6). I play solidly with a caro pawn structure and exchange down to an >>>>>>>ending, which I draw. >>>>>>>2) I play an exchange sac, which computer programs do not cope with as well as >>>>>>>they should. They don't understand the importance of activating their rook. One >>>>>>>game I almost won, but I screwed up and allowed counterplay and had to force a >>>>>>>draw. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I'm 2411 on ICC. My best score in one day was 2 draws out of 4 games if I >>>>>>>remember correctly. I feel pretty sure these programs are easier to draw than >>>>>>>GMs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm with Bruce here. at 5 0 draws are probably hopeless. with an increment, >>>>>>the chances go up... but if you are expecting your opponent to play a bogus >>>>>>opening and then draw it, look out. Not _all_ clones (and certainly not the >>>>>>"real mccoy") play gambits... except for those that are reasonably sound, like >>>>>>the Evans, etc... >>>>>> >>>>>>I'd be happy to let you try your luck with 'crafty' on ICC or FICS if you want, >>>>>>as it is always interesting to see if I have problems I don't know of. But you >>>>>>probably want to talk to IM Kim Commons or Brian Hartman, first. Kim >>>>>>particularly plays for Draws vs Crafty and he is not real successful at doing >>>>>>so at blitz time controls... >>>>> >>>>>Type "search slo-mo blackdragon" at ICC. I score +1 -2 =1. I failed to remember >>>>>I had won a game when I wrote my previous post. If you go over the games, you >>>>>will see how effective my solid approach is and how unlucky I was that I did not >>>>>do better! I will try to figure out the names of some of the other comps I've >>>>>played. One was a CSTAL account, but I can't remmeber the name of the handle. I >>>>>thought all the games I played were 5 3, but I was mistaken. I've played faster >>>>>time limits, apparently. >>>> >>>> >>>>As I said, 'blackdragon' is unknown. It is an old version on slow hardware. >>>>If you'd like to try the 'real mccoy' for a match, unrated, let me know. It can >>>>be set up easily... >>>> >>>>If you aren't an IM, your chances of winning a blitz game are essentially zero. >>>>At least a real crafty, on real hardware, with reasonable book, and not >>>>intentionally weakened... It is _very_ difficult for IM players to beat it, >>>>whether the game is standard where they have their best chances, or blitz where >>>>it just doesn't lose many games vs GM players, and hardly any any vs IM >>>>players... >>>> >>>>But it is an easy hypothesis to test if you'd like... >>> >>> >>>Try your crafty against Alexander Morovich A-moro(icc) I bet crafty would have >>>his hands full or get spanked, I am speaking of Standard time Game in 15 >> >> >>Do you think he is substantially better than (a) Yasser Seirawan (b) Gata Kamsky >>(c) Walter Browne (d) most other GMs there? IE Shirov, etc? Game in 15 won't >>cut it for GM players. I have played dozens of such games and can't recall >>losing any. Game/30 gets a little more interesting, but I haven't seen Crafty >>lose many of those (it also doesn't play many of those except against GMs that >>ask to play it as guest to try something different in an opening.) >> >>If you know him and want to ask him to play a match, I'm game. I have matched >>him a couple of times and he has declined. :) >> >>I don't think he particularly likes 'computers'... IMHO... >>\ > > > > I have seen him Tear Sierwan to shreds on ICC, he wins the majority of games, >The reason I feel he would do so well against crafty, is that in the recent >frankfurt tournament he seemed to have little problems with fritz6 which ran on >a super fast machine, I assume that being from the "younger" generation of >granmasters he probally has much expierence against computers, although I don't >understand why he never plays computers on ICC, Perhaps because he is there to >play humans only, and perfers to play computers at home. His current record vs Yasser is 16 wins, 9 losses and 3 draws. That isn't a huge margin of victory, although it is significant. He is also +8, -5, with no draws against Kamsky. I'd be happy to play him 15 0 games for fun, although he really seems to like 3 0. I'd _love_ to play him a 3 0 match with Crafty. You only _think_ you have seen "brutal chess"... :)
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