Author: James B. Shearer
Date: 21:57:28 09/15/99
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On September 14, 1999 at 10:06:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On September 14, 1999 at 03:05:35, James B. Shearer wrote:
>
>>On September 13, 1999 at 22:11:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>If you aren't an IM, your chances of winning a blitz game are essentially zero.
>>>At least a real crafty, on real hardware, with reasonable book, and not
>>>intentionally weakened... It is _very_ difficult for IM players to beat it,
>>>whether the game is standard where they have their best chances, or blitz where
>>>it just doesn't lose many games vs GM players, and hardly any any vs IM
>>>players...
>>
>> This is not exactly correct. In 2000+ blitz and bullet games on ICC
>>against crafty clones (Data, Singacrafty, MrsLovett, CraftyCrafty, KillerGrob,
>>Perplexity, Fitter, Brunhilde, Crafty, heatstroke, mundilfari, Mofongo and
>>razzle) I have scored about 7% with about 4% wins by playing anti-computer chess
>>(generally playing to win). My over-the-board strength is probably around 1900
>>(USCF) a bit below IM.
>> Of course this depends on the definition of essentially zero.
>> James B. Shearer
>>PS: For me Ferret is considerably tougher (1 win, 4 draws in 100+ games).
>
>
>I do not count those programs. Several only play oddball openings. IE Data,
>for the longest, would play _nothing_ but the Evans as white. And would repeat
>until it lost, where BT would then fix the line (he was simply working on
>studying the evans gambit using Data..) Ditto for killergrob, and so forth.
Actually I think Singacrafty is the weakest of the bunch. The others all
had pretty good ratings as I recall, somtimes better than Crafty itself. Data
never played the Evans gambit against me (as I don't respond e5 to e4).
>The only programs I can 'control' are Scrappy and Crafty (Scrappy on FICS on my
>quad P6/200, Crafty on ICC or FICS on my quad xeon/400). I don't try to play
>unorthadox openings... I only try for enough 'variety' to avoid playing the
>same line too many times...
So Scrappy and Crafty are the only "real" crafties?
My score against Crafty is 4 wins and 4 draws in 160 games (2% wins, 4%
overall). Not too good but not zero either.
>Anyone that would like to play a match vs Crafty is more than welcome. We can
>set it up here, and have at it on either ICC (if you are a member) or on FICS.
>I do _not_ like to play such matches with 'guests' as if either side gets
>disconnected, the game can't be resumed. I will certainly allow Crafty to play
>them unrated however...
>
>Offer open to anyone that wants to try their luck. It only helps me make it
>better...
Well, I am not sure we are disagreeing. I would expect at least one win
in 100 blitz games (assuming no changes in Crafty as the match progresses).
However you may feel this is essentially 0.
James B. Shearer
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