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Subject: Re: Number of Moves in a Position

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:56:32 09/20/99

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On September 20, 1999 at 11:53:07, Shep wrote:

>On September 20, 1999 at 11:05:05, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>
>
>>1. no promoted pieces, without promotion moves: 109 white moves (W.Cross 1967)
>>2. no promoted pieces                         : 144 white moves (J.Ban 1960)
>>3. with promoted pieces                       : 218 white moves (Dickins 1968)
>>4. with all 32 pieces                         :  99 white moves (HH.Cross 1946)
>>
>>1. 5k2/2K5/3N1B1P/P1NB4/6Q1/4R3/P1PP1P1P/1R6 w - - 0 1
>>2. n1r1r1b1/1P1P1P1P/1Q6/3NBNK1/R7/4p1p1/3PBPkP/2R5 w - - 0 1
>>3. 3Q4/1Q4Q1/4Q3/2Q4R/Q4Q2/3Q4/1Q4Rp/1K1BBNNk w - - 0 1
>>4. q2Q3r/n6R/kpB1N1K1/p1p1Bppp/1PN3P1/1n1pp1b1/P1PPPP1P/r5Rb w - - 0 1
>>
>>Theese positions may break several chess engines :)
>
>#3 broke every one I tried about 1 year ago: Crafty, MChess, Fritz, ... :)
>
>---
>Shep


Are you sure it broke crafty?  I just tried 16.18, 16.19, 16.0, 15.0 and all
find an instant mate (Rhxh2#). I can't think of any reason such a position would
break crafty... it has no internal arrays for pieces, or anything else.  It has
no fixed move length array either, ie if you could make a position with 3000
moves for one side, it would have no problems with it...

here is output:

White(1): d

       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    8  |   |   |   | Q |   |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    7  |   | Q |   |   |   |   | Q |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    6  |   |   |   |   | Q |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    5  |   |   | Q |   |   |   |   | R |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    4  | Q |   |   |   |   | Q |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    3  |   |   |   | Q |   |   |   |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    2  |   | Q |   |   |   |   | R | *P|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    1  |   | K |   | B | B | N | N | *K|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h

White(1): move
              clearing hash tables
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 30.00 (3:00)
         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
                1     0.00 103.55   1. Nxh2
                1     0.01     ++   1. Rhxh2#!!
                1     0.01   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                1->   0.01   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                2     0.01   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                2->   0.02   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                3     0.02   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                3->   0.16   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                4     0.17   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
                4->   2.32   Mate   1. Rhxh2#
              time=2.32  cpu=99%  mat=102  n=475999  fh=100%  nps=205171
              ext-> checks=24289 recaps=170 pawns=0 1rep=4454 thrt:0
              predicted=0  nodes=475999  evals=1



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