Author: James T. Walker
Date: 14:32:42 09/20/99
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On September 19, 1999 at 11:24:38, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On September 19, 1999 at 05:56:06, blass uri wrote: > >>I do not understand how can you know when you did not test all the players. >>You did not test the latest version of Junior and the same for other programs. >> >>You could only know that shredder is a good program. >>I think you were lucky to guess that it is going to win. >> >>It may be the best program but I do not know if it is the best program. >> >>I did the same mistake when I thought Junior is the best program after it won >>WMCCC and in this case there were 11 games(more than WCCC). > >It wasn't then, but I wonder now. I am convinced that J5 is one of the very >best. Why people don't talk more about Junior 5 is a mystery to me. When I get a >new program, the first opponent I make it play with is J5. For instance, I got >these results with Nimzo 7.32 at game/25 on a PII-400 with 64 MB ht for each >engine, all with a fresh General book of Fritz: > >N732-J5 6-8 >N732-H732 15.5-14.5 >N732-F532 9-9 >N732-C16.6 11-3 > >As usual, Junior 5 was a tough nut to crack. In the mammoth tournament I >finished in January, Junior ended up second, but it was my "in pectore" winner. > >Enrique > >>I guess that it is the best but it is not clear and I hope that the latest >>version of Junior is better. >> >>Uri Hello Enrique, When I first received Junior 5.0 it was instantly my favorite program. As time went by and I discovered it did not understand underpromotion, it has no tablebases and comes out just behind Fritz in all of my games for strength (over 1300 games by Junior). I like it's style but I believe a top commercial program should understand underpromotion and should support tablebases. After these discoveries it just slowly slipped away from me. I still like it's style but if I want to analyze a game I fear it will not give good results if underpromotion is possible. I'm also one of the people that believe in tablebases. I don't think they add a lot of strength to a program but they do add a lot of excitement by announcing "mate in 31" and they give more confidence in end game analysis by computers. Jim Walker
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