Author: Mark Young
Date: 17:17:19 09/21/99
Go up one level in this thread
On September 21, 1999 at 19:12:07, odell hall wrote:
>On September 21, 1999 at 17:54:55, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On September 21, 1999 at 15:00:14, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>> Has anyone noticed the often bizarre and irresponsible play of Hiarcs7.32?
>>>It is hard to believe this program is so celebrated here at CCC, the program has
>>>some obvious flaws that I think any Astute Human master could easily exploit.
>>>Last night I played it on my AMD k6-2 350 40mb, at 40\1hr, and nearly won, after
>>>the game I analyzed with fritz5.32, it pointed out atleast five missed wins on
>>>my part. Some may some, "well what are you talking about you lost didn't you"?,
>>>True but the point that I am making is that a player of my level should never of
>>>had hiarcs in such a position (uscf 1804). Analyzing the game with junior,
>>>fritz, and chessmaster they all made superior moves than hiarcs, and avoiding
>>>the trouble. If I were a computer chess operator on icc i would not feel
>>>comfortable playing hiarcs7.32 against titled players in anything over game\30.
>>>Don't get me wrong I am not basing my accessment on just this one game, but
>>>many. I think the biggest problem with hiarcs7 is the queenside Castling bug?
>>>Here is the Game, to illustrate what I am talking about.
>>
>>I have not looked at the game yet, but I seen some other say there Hiarcs did
>>not play the same moves. And I see you are using an AMD chip, I have found games
>>played on the AMD chip that could not be reproduced by an intel chip.
>>
>>>
> Hi Mark
>
>
> I considered this possibility you mentioned, the only thing that makes me
>doubt that it is the chip is the fact, that when I play hiarcs7. in computer vs
>computer games on my machine it "destroyes" everything. I beat a friend of mine
>who has CM6000 in a six game match, this makes me think it is not the chip.
I will not try and keep guessing what is going on in this game, but there was
some strange things between your scores, times, and evals. Then what I could
reproduce. I tried to reproduce some of the moves and evals by playing though
the games as if I were playing it myself. I tried again taking the learning file
out of Hiarcs. I tried in watch mode. This may just be how hiarcs 7.32 is or
this may point to some kind of problem.
I will give one example.
Your move 21. Hiarcs played h5 and search 511 sec. or 8 1/2 min to do a 8 ply
search. My hiarcs never played h5 in this position at ply 8 and I tried many
times and many ways, and it only took 4 1/4 mins to hit a 9 ply search. We are
about the same speed, I was running a P II 400 with the same hash as you at
39936kB.
as I were playing the game.
1r3rk1/p1q3b1/2P1b2p/3n1p2/N3p2P/8/PPQBPPB1/1K1R3R w - - 0 1
Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
21...Ne7 22.Be3
+- (1.91) depth: 1 00:00:00
21...Ne7 22.Bc3
+- (2.16) depth: 2/5 00:00:00
21...Ne7 22.Rc1
+- (2.27) depth: 2/11 00:00:00
21...Rfc8 22.Bxe4
+- (2.19) depth: 2/11 00:00:00
21...Rfc8 22.Bh3 Nb4
+- (2.16) depth: 3/11 00:00:00
21...Rfc8 22.Bh3 Nb4
+- (2.16) depth: 4/11 00:00:00
21...Rfc8 22.Bh1 Nb4 23.Bxb4 Rxb4 24.Rc1
+- (1.98) depth: 5/19 00:00:00 12kN
21.h5
+- (2.68) depth: 1 00:00:00
21.h5
+- (1.91) depth: 2/3 00:00:00
21.h5 Rfc8
+- (1.91) depth: 2/3 00:00:00
21.Rhg1 Ne7
+- (1.91) depth: 2/8 00:00:00
21.Rhg1 Ne7
+- (1.91) depth: 3/8 00:00:00
21.h5 Nb4
+- (2.34) depth: 3/8 00:00:00
21.h5 Nb4
+- (2.34) depth: 3/8 00:00:00
21.h5 Nb4
+- (1.98) depth: 4/8 00:00:00
21.h5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Ne7 23.Be3 Qxc6 24.Bxa7
+- (1.59) depth: 4/12 00:00:00
21.Rhg1 Ne7
+- (1.91) depth: 4/12 00:00:00
21.Rhg1 Ne7
+- (1.91) depth: 5/12 00:00:00 1kN
21.Rhg1 Rfc8 22.Bh1
+- (1.98) depth: 6/12 00:00:00 2kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4
+- (1.73) depth: 7/23 00:00:04 169kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.b3 Rc8 24.Qc5 Qxc6
+- (1.57) depth: 7/25 00:00:07 251kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4
± (1.32) depth: 8/25 00:00:51 1788kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bh3 Qf7 24.Ka1 Rc4 25.Nc3 Rxc6
± (1.26) depth: 8/27 00:01:07 2343kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4
± (1.01) depth: 9/27 00:04:15 8334kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bf1 Rfb8 24.Rd2 Rc8 25.Nc3 Qxc6 26.Rg3
± (0.91) depth: 9/29 00:05:19 10524kN
21.Rh3 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Rg3 Rc4 24.Nc3 Rxc6 25.Rg1 Rc8
± (0.96) depth: 9/29 00:08:57 17718kN
(Young, 9/21/99)
In watch mode, after restart.
1r3rk1/p1q3b1/2P1b2p/3n1p2/N3p2P/8/PPQBPPB1/1K1R3R w - - 0 1
Analysis by Hiarcs 7.32:
21.h5
+- (2.68) depth: 1 00:00:00
21.h5 Nb4
+- (2.34) depth: 2/4 00:00:00
21.h5 Nf4 22.Bxf4 Qxf4
+- (2.33) depth: 2/6 00:00:00
21.h5 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4
+- (2.34) depth: 3/8 00:00:00
21.h5 Nb4
+- (2.09) depth: 4/10 00:00:00
21.h5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Ne7 23.Be3 Qxc6 24.Bxa7
+- (1.59) depth: 4/12 00:00:00
21.Qc5 Ne7 22.Rc1 Rfd8
+- (1.90) depth: 4/14 00:00:00
21.Qc5 Rfc8
+- (1.63) depth: 5/19 00:00:01 32kN
21.Qc5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Nb6 23.Nc3 Qxc6 24.Qxc6 Rxc6
± (1.40) depth: 5/21 00:00:01 45kN
21.h5 Rfc8 22.Rc1 Ne7 23.Be3 Qxc6 24.Bxa7
+- (1.59) depth: 5/21 00:00:01 52kN
21.Rhg1 Ne7 22.Bc3 Bxc3 23.Qxc3 Qxc6
+- (1.91) depth: 5/21 00:00:02 69kN
21.Rhg1 Rfc8
+- (1.66) depth: 6/21 00:00:04 126kN
21.Rhg1 Rfc8 22.Bh1 Kf7
+- (1.66) depth: 6/23 00:00:05 163kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.b3 Rc8 24.Qc5 Rcb8
+- (1.79) depth: 7/23 00:00:22 708kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4
+- (1.54) depth: 8/25 00:00:49 1640kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bh3 Rc4 24.Rd7 Qxd7 25.Qxc4 Qf7 26.Qc3 Bxa2+ 27.Kc2
± (1.35) depth: 8/27 00:01:13 2493kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4
± (1.10) depth: 9/27 00:04:46 9474kN
21.Rhg1 Nb4 22.Bxb4 Rxb4 23.Bf1 Rc4 24.Qxc4 Bxc4 25.Rd7 Qe5 26.Rgxg7+ Qxg7
27.Rxg7+ Kxg7 28.b3 Bb5 29.c7
± (0.93) depth: 9/29 00:06:17 12506kN
(Young, 9/21/99)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Event "Match game4"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Hiarcs7.32"]
>>>[Black "O.hall"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "E61"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2595"]
>>>[BlackElo "1805"]
>>>[Annotator "ohall"
>>>[PlyCount "69"]
>>>
>>>{39936kB, super.ctg. PentiumII
>>>} 1. d4 {0} 1... Nf6 {15} 2. c4 {0} 2... g6 {7}
>>>3. g3 {0} 3... Bg7 {8} 4. Bg2 {0} 4... O-O {10} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... c6 {9} 6. Qb3 {
>>>0.58/9 68} 6... d6 {77} 7. Nf3 {0.56/9 20} 7... Nbd7 {41} 8. Bg5 {0.49/9 131}
>>>8... h6 {26} 9. Bd2 {0.49/9 80} 9... e5 {60} 10. dxe5 {0.42/9 71} 10... Nxe5 {
>>>73} 11. Nxe5 {0.36/9 59} 11... dxe5 {28} 12. O-O-O {0.34/9 74} 12... Qc7 {40}
>>>13. Na4 {-0.03/9 232} 13... b5 {73} 14. cxb5 {0.51/9 173} 14... Be6 {39} 15.
>>>Qc2 {0.94/8 68} 15... Rac8 {50} 16. bxc6 {1.07/8 73} 16... Nd5 {43} 17. Kb1 {
>>>1.51/9 112} 17... f5 {113} 18. h4 {1.67/8 99} 18... e4 {25} 19. g4 {1.07/9 325}
>>>19... Rb8 {24} 20. gxf5 {1.90/8 249} 20... gxf5 {21} 21. h5 {0.90/8 511} 21...
>>>Nb4 {63} 22. Bxb4 {-0.40/9 370} 22... Rxb4 {4} 23. Kc1 {-0.87/8 196} 23... Rc4
>>>{206} 24. Nc3 {-1.30/9 80} 24... Qxc6 {9} 25. Rdg1 {-1.41/9 94} 25... Kh7 {124}
>>>26. Rh3 {-0.95/8 62} 26... Bd4 {67} 27. Rd1 {-0.74/7 25} 27... Bxf2 {39} 28. e3
>>>{-0.54/8 31} 28... f4 {114} 29. Qxf2 {0.00/9 0} 29... Rxc3+ {177} 30. bxc3 {
>>>-0.04/9 0} 30... Qxc3+ {29} 31. Qc2 {1.59/8 37} 31... Qa1+ {74} 32. Kd2 {
>>>2.14/8 37} 32... Rd8+ {28} 33. Ke1 {2.60/9 10} 33... Rxd1+ {36} 34. Qxd1 {
>>>2.60/9 6} 34... Qxa2 {32} 35. Bxe4+ {6.56/8 37} 1-0
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.