Author: Terry Ripple
Date: 00:54:27 09/22/99
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On September 22, 1999 at 00:43:25, John R. Menke, Sr. wrote:
>Hi,
>I agree. I think there is something basic, seriously wrong with the release
>version of the Hiarcs 7.32 engine. I have done extensive comparisons and
>analysis using Chessmaster 6000, Fritz 5.32, and Hiarcs 7.32 over the past
>several weeks. Hiarcs 7.32 just isn't a consistently good analyst or chess
>player, compared to those other two -- in my best judgment and opinion.
>--JRM
>
>
>
>On September 21, 1999 at 15:00:14, odell hall wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>> Has anyone noticed the often bizarre and irresponsible play of Hiarcs7.32?
>>It is hard to believe this program is so celebrated here at CCC, the program has
>>some obvious flaws that I think any Astute Human master could easily exploit.
>>Last night I played it on my AMD k6-2 350 40mb, at 40\1hr, and nearly won, after
>>the game I analyzed with fritz5.32, it pointed out atleast five missed wins on
>>my part. Some may some, "well what are you talking about you lost didn't you"?,
>>True but the point that I am making is that a player of my level should never of
>>had hiarcs in such a position (uscf 1804). Analyzing the game with junior,
>>fritz, and chessmaster they all made superior moves than hiarcs, and avoiding
>>the trouble. If I were a computer chess operator on icc i would not feel
>>comfortable playing hiarcs7.32 against titled players in anything over game\30.
>>Don't get me wrong I am not basing my accessment on just this one game, but
>>many. I think the biggest problem with hiarcs7 is the queenside Castling bug?
>>Here is the Game, to illustrate what I am talking about.
>>
>>
>>Event "Match game4"]
>>[Site "?"]
>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Hiarcs7.32"]
>>[Black "O.hall"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "E61"]
>>[WhiteElo "2595"]
>>[BlackElo "1805"]
>>[Annotator "ohall"
>>[PlyCount "69"]
>>
>>{39936kB, super.ctg. PentiumII
>>} 1. d4 {0} 1... Nf6 {15} 2. c4 {0} 2... g6 {7}
>>3. g3 {0} 3... Bg7 {8} 4. Bg2 {0} 4... O-O {10} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... c6 {9} 6. Qb3 {
>>0.58/9 68} 6... d6 {77} 7. Nf3 {0.56/9 20} 7... Nbd7 {41} 8. Bg5 {0.49/9 131}
>>8... h6 {26} 9. Bd2 {0.49/9 80} 9... e5 {60} 10. dxe5 {0.42/9 71} 10... Nxe5 {
>>73} 11. Nxe5 {0.36/9 59} 11... dxe5 {28} 12. O-O-O {0.34/9 74} 12... Qc7 {40}
>>13. Na4 {-0.03/9 232} 13... b5 {73} 14. cxb5 {0.51/9 173} 14... Be6 {39} 15.
>>Qc2 {0.94/8 68} 15... Rac8 {50} 16. bxc6 {1.07/8 73} 16... Nd5 {43} 17. Kb1 {
>>1.51/9 112} 17... f5 {113} 18. h4 {1.67/8 99} 18... e4 {25} 19. g4 {1.07/9 325}
>>19... Rb8 {24} 20. gxf5 {1.90/8 249} 20... gxf5 {21} 21. h5 {0.90/8 511} 21...
>>Nb4 {63} 22. Bxb4 {-0.40/9 370} 22... Rxb4 {4} 23. Kc1 {-0.87/8 196} 23... Rc4
>>{206} 24. Nc3 {-1.30/9 80} 24... Qxc6 {9} 25. Rdg1 {-1.41/9 94} 25... Kh7 {124}
>>26. Rh3 {-0.95/8 62} 26... Bd4 {67} 27. Rd1 {-0.74/7 25} 27... Bxf2 {39} 28. e3
>>{-0.54/8 31} 28... f4 {114} 29. Qxf2 {0.00/9 0} 29... Rxc3+ {177} 30. bxc3 {
>>-0.04/9 0} 30... Qxc3+ {29} 31. Qc2 {1.59/8 37} 31... Qa1+ {74} 32. Kd2 {
>>2.14/8 37} 32... Rd8+ {28} 33. Ke1 {2.60/9 10} 33... Rxd1+ {36} 34. Qxd1 {
>>2.60/9 6} 34... Qxa2 {32} 35. Bxe4+ {6.56/8 37} 1-0
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Well, you must know that Hiarcs 7.32 will be on the top of the SSDF Rating list
that will be out in a couple of weeks! It earned it's way by beating Fritz5.32
and other top programs!! And because you had a terrific game against Hiarcs and
that you would have beat it if you had seen and made the correct moves is just
what weaker players do more often than stronger players.
I'am a strong wood-pusher like you and i beat one of our club Masters 2 times
this year and had a few draws, and his present USCF Rating is 2346. He also won
the Pennsylvania State Champianship two times over the past couple of years!
And so, just because you almost beat Hiarcs or even beat it a few times does not
really mean all that much as it's the total amount over time that will tell how
good a player you really are or how good a player Hiarcs is!
Also, one of our club members who is rated 1689 had a draw against a strong
Grandmaster in a simul.
I mean no disrespect to you but was just trying to show a point!!!
Regards,Terry
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