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Subject: Re: Hiarcs7.32: "I am not Impressed"

Author: Terry Ripple

Date: 01:17:45 09/22/99

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On September 21, 1999 at 19:36:10, odell hall wrote:

>On September 21, 1999 at 19:18:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On September 21, 1999 at 19:12:07, odell hall wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>  I considered this possibility you mentioned, the only thing that makes me
>>>doubt that it is the chip is the fact, that when I play hiarcs7. in computer vs
>>>computer games on my machine it "destroyes" everything. I beat a friend of mine
>>>who has CM6000 in a six game match, this makes me think it is not the chip.
>>That's a puzzle.  If it "destroys" all the competition, why do you believe that
>>their evals (which differ considerably) are better?  If they really had a
>>superior evaluation at crucial points of the program, wouldn't they win all/most
>>of the time?  Perhaps Hiarcs has a much greater positional understanding?
>>
>>I do know that (at least against computers) Hiarcs seems to fare very well.
>>
>>There may be some particular list of parameters where Hiarcs has a weakness.
>>Perhaps if you can specify exactly the conditions of the experiment we can
>>figure out what is going on.
>>[snip]
>
>
>  Hi Dann
>
>
>   When I first got hiarcs7.32 Like everyonelse I was quite excited with high
>expectations,  infact hiarcs6 was one of my favourites, so I expected even more
>from hiarcs7. I first noticed this flaky Queensidee castleing bug in hiarcs when
>it lost a game against chessmaster, it castled uncessarily in a very dangerous
>position, and knowing the tacticaly gifted CM, it went on to slaughter hiarcs,
>however I was willing to write this off, as hiarcs began to beat rebel and other
>programs, but then I started to see this queenside castling tendency over and
>over.  I am not saying that hiarcs is not strong, I am just saying that it has
>some obvious weakness which needs some attention. It doesn't appear to be as
>agressive as hiarcs6, I think that if money were on the line I could draw it
>atleast 3 out of ten games. When you refer to "conditions of the experiement" I
>am not sure I know what you mean, are you referring to the computer vs computer
>games, or the conditions of the game that I played?  Time control was 40 moves
>in 1 hour, but when I play computer vs computer it is always at game\30.
>I looked at the nodes per second, Hiarcs 7.32 is doing 32,000 to 36,000 nodes
>per second on My K6-2 350. What's funny is that It destroys other programs, but
>barely beats me, Maybe it is just my style of play , I don't know.  All I know
>is I get slaughtered by all my other programs, and although I have never beaten
>hiarcs I have several draws and often have positions where I should have won,
>which is never the case when I play  Fritz, Chessmaster, Rebel, or Junior. I am
>not saying Hiarcs7.32 is a lousy program, I am just saying that I am not
>Impressed with it.

Hi Odell,
  To get 3 draws out of 10 games(1.5 points) would give you about a 15% win -
ratio, so this would compute to about a 300 point ELO difference between you and
Hiarcs! Are you close to a 2250 to 2300 USCF rated player??

Regards,Terry



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