Author: odell hall
Date: 01:50:51 09/22/99
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On September 22, 1999 at 03:54:27, Terry Ripple wrote:
>On September 22, 1999 at 00:43:25, John R. Menke, Sr. wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>I agree. I think there is something basic, seriously wrong with the release
>>version of the Hiarcs 7.32 engine. I have done extensive comparisons and
>>analysis using Chessmaster 6000, Fritz 5.32, and Hiarcs 7.32 over the past
>>several weeks. Hiarcs 7.32 just isn't a consistently good analyst or chess
>>player, compared to those other two -- in my best judgment and opinion.
>>--JRM
>>
>>
>>
>>On September 21, 1999 at 15:00:14, odell hall wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>> Has anyone noticed the often bizarre and irresponsible play of Hiarcs7.32?
>>>It is hard to believe this program is so celebrated here at CCC, the program has
>>>some obvious flaws that I think any Astute Human master could easily exploit.
>>>Last night I played it on my AMD k6-2 350 40mb, at 40\1hr, and nearly won, after
>>>the game I analyzed with fritz5.32, it pointed out atleast five missed wins on
>>>my part. Some may some, "well what are you talking about you lost didn't you"?,
>>>True but the point that I am making is that a player of my level should never of
>>>had hiarcs in such a position (uscf 1804). Analyzing the game with junior,
>>>fritz, and chessmaster they all made superior moves than hiarcs, and avoiding
>>>the trouble. If I were a computer chess operator on icc i would not feel
>>>comfortable playing hiarcs7.32 against titled players in anything over game\30.
>>>Don't get me wrong I am not basing my accessment on just this one game, but
>>>many. I think the biggest problem with hiarcs7 is the queenside Castling bug?
>>>Here is the Game, to illustrate what I am talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>Event "Match game4"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>>[Round "?"]
>>>[White "Hiarcs7.32"]
>>>[Black "O.hall"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "E61"]
>>>[WhiteElo "2595"]
>>>[BlackElo "1805"]
>>>[Annotator "ohall"
>>>[PlyCount "69"]
>>>
>>>{39936kB, super.ctg. PentiumII
>>>} 1. d4 {0} 1... Nf6 {15} 2. c4 {0} 2... g6 {7}
>>>3. g3 {0} 3... Bg7 {8} 4. Bg2 {0} 4... O-O {10} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... c6 {9} 6. Qb3 {
>>>0.58/9 68} 6... d6 {77} 7. Nf3 {0.56/9 20} 7... Nbd7 {41} 8. Bg5 {0.49/9 131}
>>>8... h6 {26} 9. Bd2 {0.49/9 80} 9... e5 {60} 10. dxe5 {0.42/9 71} 10... Nxe5 {
>>>73} 11. Nxe5 {0.36/9 59} 11... dxe5 {28} 12. O-O-O {0.34/9 74} 12... Qc7 {40}
>>>13. Na4 {-0.03/9 232} 13... b5 {73} 14. cxb5 {0.51/9 173} 14... Be6 {39} 15.
>>>Qc2 {0.94/8 68} 15... Rac8 {50} 16. bxc6 {1.07/8 73} 16... Nd5 {43} 17. Kb1 {
>>>1.51/9 112} 17... f5 {113} 18. h4 {1.67/8 99} 18... e4 {25} 19. g4 {1.07/9 325}
>>>19... Rb8 {24} 20. gxf5 {1.90/8 249} 20... gxf5 {21} 21. h5 {0.90/8 511} 21...
>>>Nb4 {63} 22. Bxb4 {-0.40/9 370} 22... Rxb4 {4} 23. Kc1 {-0.87/8 196} 23... Rc4
>>>{206} 24. Nc3 {-1.30/9 80} 24... Qxc6 {9} 25. Rdg1 {-1.41/9 94} 25... Kh7 {124}
>>>26. Rh3 {-0.95/8 62} 26... Bd4 {67} 27. Rd1 {-0.74/7 25} 27... Bxf2 {39} 28. e3
>>>{-0.54/8 31} 28... f4 {114} 29. Qxf2 {0.00/9 0} 29... Rxc3+ {177} 30. bxc3 {
>>>-0.04/9 0} 30... Qxc3+ {29} 31. Qc2 {1.59/8 37} 31... Qa1+ {74} 32. Kd2 {
>>>2.14/8 37} 32... Rd8+ {28} 33. Ke1 {2.60/9 10} 33... Rxd1+ {36} 34. Qxd1 {
>>>2.60/9 6} 34... Qxa2 {32} 35. Bxe4+ {6.56/8 37} 1-0
>-----------
>
>Well, you must know that Hiarcs 7.32 will be on the top of the SSDF Rating list
>that will be out in a couple of weeks! It earned it's way by beating Fritz5.32
>and other top programs!! And because you had a terrific game against Hiarcs and
>that you would have beat it if you had seen and made the correct moves is just
>what weaker players do more often than stronger players.
> I'am a strong wood-pusher like you and i beat one of our club Masters 2 times
>this year and had a few draws, and his present USCF Rating is 2346. He also won
>the Pennsylvania State Champianship two times over the past couple of years!
>And so, just because you almost beat Hiarcs or even beat it a few times does not
>really mean all that much as it's the total amount over time that will tell how
>good a player you really are or how good a player Hiarcs is!
> Also, one of our club members who is rated 1689 had a draw against a strong
>Grandmaster in a simul.
> I mean no disrespect to you but was just trying to show a point!!!
>
>Regards,Terry
Hi Terry
I have noticed that one of the cardinal sins around here is to critize
hiarcs7.32 in any shape, form or fashion! Remember my post was not saying that I
thought hiarcs7.32 was weak, nor did I even claim to have beaten it, I just said
that It does not impress me compared to the other top programs, and that still
stands. I made that statement along with posting a game to show exactly what I
meant. It simply a matter of taste, I never even remotely come close to beating
fritz, or chessmaster, or junior5, Rebel10, and a few times I have had hiarcs7
on the ropes because of this queenside castling deal, this is all I am saying,
their is a weakness in the program, Maybe another program cannot exploit it ,
but a strong human master can. That is my only point.
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