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Subject: Re: KQQKQQ EG-db: existence and availability

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 09:51:15 09/22/99

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Oops, I read Wirth's letter not carefully enough... He measures plies, not
moves. Than everything is Ok. Sorry for inconvenience...

Eugene


On September 22, 1999 at 12:47:54, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

>Please note that either I or Christoph Wirth produced incorrect file. Results
>are not directly comparable, as I produced DTM and he DTC, but his record DTC is
>greater than my DTM. Obviously, one of us is wrong. What makes matter worse,
>both of us run consistency check on generated files, and there were no errors...
>
>I'll try to modify my program to produce DTC and re-run it, but it will take
>some time.
>
>My results are consistent when you compare them with Stiller's - record DTM is
>always less than his DTC (KQQKQQ: DTC is 44, DTM is 50; KRRKRR: DTC is 18, DTM
>is 40).
>
>Eugene
>
>On September 22, 1999 at 09:35:46, guy haworth wrote:
>
>>This note contains a request - for Robert Hyatt I think ...
>>
>>As CCC readers may be aware, Eugene Nalimov and Christoph Wirth have
>>independently created a complete and self-consistent KQQKQQ endgame database.
>>
>>Both authors responded readily to the request of the World TEam (in GK-v-WT) and
>>their achievements are without parallel.  Many thanks and warmest
>>congratulations to both.
>>
>>Eugene's is optimised to DTM (distance to mate)and Christoph's to DTC (capture
>>or mate).  However, they can clearly be used to second-source each other on the
>>value of a KQQKQQ position.  This gives more authority to both databases.
>>
>>A number of players involved in the Kasparov-v-WorldTeam event (and others) will
>>now be thinking of using this KQQKQQ database and this leads to thoughts about
>>the practicality of doing this.  There appear to be two issues.
>>
>>The KQQKQQ database is a 6-man rather than a 5-man database and as such, I
>>understand requires a modification to standard CRAFTY.
>>
>>It is also a very large database (407503Kb) and is presumably difficult to
>>download in the standard way.
>>
>>May I ask Robert to define on this CCC board how to make the modifications to
>>CRAFTY to use 6-man EGs ... and how the KQQKQQ database itself may be best
>>acquired.
>>
>>
>>As a footnote, both Eugene and Christoph 'warmed up' their codes on KNNKNN and
>>KRRKRR.  Eugene later produced a KBBKBB EG-db as well.  All four of Eugene's
>>datbases are on ftp://ftp.cis.uab.edu/pub/hyatt/TB/.
>>
>>As a technical footnote, Eugene used a Compaq Alpha procesor with 4GB RAM and
>>ran the problem 'in store'.  Christoph had 1GB RAM and therefore sustained some
>>100GB of 'paging' disc traffic.  Both databases are post-hoc checked to ensure
>>that the value/depth of a position is consistent with that of its successors.
>>
>>Again, thanks and congratulations to both Eugene Nalimov and Christoph Wirth.



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