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Subject: Re: CSTal2.03-Nimzo98, games 8-10/10, finished

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 08:23:10 09/25/99

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On September 25, 1999 at 09:22:24, Harald Faber wrote:

>>you don't understand how programs are developed and tuned and tested.

>If this is meant that I do not adjust my hardware to special program requests,
>yes.
> And especially not when YOU say "for accurate CSTal play, one needs at
>least an AMD-K6-3-500 or K7-XXX".

never said this. but 200Mhz is not anymore state of the art.

> And I still doubt CSTal then can compete with
>the other top programs, because, don't forget, the others get the speed profit
>too.

you can doubt whatever you want. the others don't profit as much as cstal
from faster hardware. you don't understand why - right ?
because they rely on search. but the faster hardware does not make them come
much deeper. the other programs rely on evaluation. and the faster hardware
helps them to come deeper. therefore the evaluation programs make progress
where the search programs stand where they began.
see paderborn.


>Except you want to try CSTal/K7-600 vs MCP/166MMX. :-)

billige Polemik.

>You are absolutely wrong. I really HOPED to see Tal win. But I cannot change
>facts.

pah -
there is no world outside. if you want to see tal lose, it will lose.
there are no FACTS outside you only would have to look at.
you have a mechanic point of view of the world. but the century of mechanism
is over harald.
its paradigm change. only <100 days and your century is over harald.


>Now finally you really got mad.

i think this privilege is up to you.



>I did exactly what you asked for, except that I
>am not that fool to buy 2 new PCs for $2000-$3000 to get Tal run on an
>"accurate" machine.


2x 200 DM would have been enough. you exaggerating as usual harald.

> Your behaviour looks like Chessbase autoplayer. Absolutely
>stupid.

right. the cb autoplayer is stupid. you got it right in the end.

>Show me more results than a) your results and b) more than this posted 2-2
>against Hiarcs7.32 and don't forget to sum up the Tal losses like that 6-0 or my
>7.5-2.5.

your results don't count !

>I do not excuse a thing. You always excuse the losses. First it was the version.

it is not my fault if you use a version you are not allowed to test nor
to download. the illagal act was on your side. learn to read before you
download. that would of course need a brain.

>Now it is the hardware although Tal used 50% faster hardware than the opponent.

this is not important.

>I wonder what you'd have said if I had played on 2 K6-3-500, probably that I
>should have used the K7 or P3 or any other senseless story.

i have never said you should use expensive hardware. i said you should test
seriously. using scientific methods. and not downloading a broken version,
giving it 3 minutes exact time without pb playing email chess :-)

>There was none except in your dreams and in your tournaments.

again you fail to have the power of reading and memorizing. seems to be
a desease of you...

>All the others? I must be blind having overseen hundreds of posters with super
>results.

you must have been blind. yes. thats exactly what i am saying. blind. unable to
read and with no brain to think. and no machines to try out.

>Typical for you. No more arguments so you go one step further onto the personal
>level. Childish.

wenn ihr nicht werdet wie die Kinder kommet ihr nicht ins himmelreich ! :-)
Kein Kamel geht durch ein Nadelöhr Harald.

>You do not need to fear that I will buy another version of CST and complain
>until more than 2 persons except you find out that Tal can compete with the top
>programs.

we will not ALLOW you to buy cstal :-)
Its not up to you to decide. :-)

>Of course, you are absolutely objective, posting only the few Tal wins and
>hiding the losses.

i am objective. yes. and the reason is that i am testing many many programs.
not only one. and i am doing it all of the time. for years.
that makes me objective. that i tested mchess long time before you have been
here.

>Maybe you need such a long time to get 2 or 3 wins. :-)

it needs time to play 10 40/120 games, yes. especially if you don't use
an autoplayer.

>And your hardware argument is absolutely rubbish.

yup.



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